The Wind Scam In California and Hypocracy

I just got back from a trip to Southern California.  We have a real issue here in Maine with wind, but when you see the ugly mess they have made out there, I guess we should consider ourselves lucky.  Turbines in Maine are spaced every few thousand feet . . . out there the turbines are spaced just far enough apart that the blades wont hit when they spin, and they cover miles and miles and thousands of acres.  This is a fairly industrial area and is not all that beautiful to begin with, but the turbines make it far worse.  They fill the valley and sides of the hills for a stretch of about ten miles. 

On another day, I took a trip north, toward a much more trendy part of California, Simi Valley.  It is near Hollywood and Pasadena.  It is where the "beautiful people" live.  Guess what?  I didn't see one windmill!!!  Imagine that!!!!  The hypocritical "environmentalists" do not put these ugly behemoths in their back yard.  I guess they are kind of like dogs . . . they don't crap where they sleep. 

They figure us "backwoods hicks" here in Maine can take the machines into our backyards and they won't put them where they live.  We certainly don't need the power here in Maine as we produce twice as much as we need.  Let them put them up where they are needed, in Mass, NY, Connecticut, NJ . . . all the places where they live.  Then let's see how long it takes for the industry to die. 

    

  

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Comment by Dan McKay on October 18, 2012 at 10:58am

Jim is absolutely right about LMP. It is a pricing structure that formulates many variables to keep a reliable and economical flow of electricity grid bound. Price being the important term here. It's ironic that wind has placed ISO-NE in the position of having to use oil, when it was never used recently to compensate for loads in the range they are now. You would only see oil during hot summer days when loads were extraordinary. Interestingly, during the hot spells this year, Hydro-Quebec shipped over one million megawatt-hours of electricity to Mass. through a dedicated emergency DC line from Canada to Mass.  .

Comment by Jim Lutz on October 18, 2012 at 10:33am

Harrison, LMP is "Locational Marginal Pricing" which means that a plant that can use various energy sources is required to use the most economical or available source it has to provide power.  The administration has made the rules for coal so onerous, they have to switch to a more available or economic source.  Even if wind could supply the amount of power to the grid, (it can't) it would be at least that high a price. 

Comment by Harrison Roper on October 18, 2012 at 10:07am

Dan McKay's comment has a chart showing "LMP"-what is LMP?  This is a first for me, and I have to guess what LMP means - can anybody explain? How about a handy list of power industry acronyms that we amateur observors can use?

  And how about putting up industrial turbines on the mountaintops right behind the HOLLYWOOD sign? That ought to be a really good wind site, right in the middle a highly populated area with demand from lots industry and hoes and a well-developed disrtribution system. Wind power promoters and advocates have assurred us that property values will not be reduced. 

  Come to think of it, the Los Angeles highly populated area is ringed by high hills and mountains, with the houses shouldering up against the slopes, and scenic drives on the mountaintops.  Build, baby, build! Put your scenery where your rhetoric is! Show us how much you really care!   

Thank you, Harry Roper  Houlton/Danforth

Comment by Jim Lutz on October 18, 2012 at 9:33am

Well, if it ain't wind, it must be high priced fuel OIL!!!!!!!!  There are quite a number of multi fuel generation plants in southern NE that have been using coal because it is cheaper.  They were designed to be clean coal plants, but the current administration believes no coal is clean.  His big lie the other night that is he has helped the coal and oil industries.  Look up how many coal companies have closed their doors in the last four years.  It is in keeping with Chu's comment that he wanted to make energy as expensive as it is in Europe. 

Comment by Dan McKay on October 18, 2012 at 7:55am

For the past two weeks , coal has disappeared as a fuel source for generation within the ISO-NE grid network. Natural gas has increased, but is unable to replace all of the 6% generation that coal used to provide. Guess what fuel is being used to make up this difference ? One hint: it ain't wind.

The graph above shows the price response to accelerating demand as normally occurs at this time of day. The rapid rise in prices indicates something expensive is being asked for generation.

 

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Maine Center For Public Interest Reporting – Three Part Series: A CRITICAL LOOK AT MAINE’S WIND ACT

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(excerpts) From Part 1 – On Maine’s Wind Law “Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine if the law’s goals were met." . – Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting, August 2010 https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-power-bandwagon-hits-bumps-in-the-road-3/From Part 2 – On Wind and Oil Yet using wind energy doesn’t lower dependence on imported foreign oil. That’s because the majority of imported oil in Maine is used for heating and transportation. And switching our dependence from foreign oil to Maine-produced electricity isn’t likely to happen very soon, says Bartlett. “Right now, people can’t switch to electric cars and heating – if they did, we’d be in trouble.” So was one of the fundamental premises of the task force false, or at least misleading?" https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-swept-task-force-set-the-rules/From Part 3 – On Wind-Required New Transmission Lines Finally, the building of enormous, high-voltage transmission lines that the regional electricity system operator says are required to move substantial amounts of wind power to markets south of Maine was never even discussed by the task force – an omission that Mills said will come to haunt the state.“If you try to put 2,500 or 3,000 megawatts in northern or eastern Maine – oh, my god, try to build the transmission!” said Mills. “It’s not just the towers, it’s the lines – that’s when I begin to think that the goal is a little farfetched.” https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/flaws-in-bill-like-skating-with-dull-skates/

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Hannah Pingree on the Maine expedited wind law

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"Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine."

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