The Green New Deal Is a Trojan Horse for Socialism

The title of this tells it all. There is a new system afoot and it is the most scary future we face as Americans. Our education system has failed us and our progeny has been indoctrinated into the ranks of socialism and elite control of our lives. They have no concept of what real science is and have been brainwashed by the system and the complicit media.

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Comment by Robert Powers on February 23, 2019 at 10:59am


Comment by Willem Post on February 23, 2019 at 9:44am

The Green New Deal, GND, to be implemented by 2030, appears to be an accelerated version of the wind, water, sun, (WWS) Plan by Jacobson, published in 2015, which is aiming to be implemented by 2050.

The GND Plan is more extreme than the WWS Plan in its scope and timetable. Here are some quotes from the GND manifesto:

- “Upgrade and/or replace every building in America”
- “Replace every internal combustible engine vehicle”
- “Connect every corner of America with high-speed rail”
- “Replace all fossil energy with alternative energy sources”

The GND want to use Electric Vehicles for storage. Wow.

The GND would require an HVDC overlay grid (at least a $400 billion item) connected at many points to the existing HVAC grids, to ensure electricity would be near instantaneously delivered everywhere, 24/7/365, as needed.

- The US northeast could be overcast and not windy (wind and solar would be minimal, as happens many times during the year, i.e., almost every early morning and every late afternoon/early evening), but elsewhere, such as in the Colorado region, it could be sunny and windy, enabling any excess wind and solar to be instantaneously transferred, via the overlay HVDC system, to the US northeast.

- Tens of millions of EVs could be connected to the grid, each temporarily providing a few kWh to the grid, as needed. The EVs would recharge from the grid at other times, as needed, for driving the next day. Such an electricity reserve could provide about 50 million EVs x 10 kWh/EV/d = 500 million kWh/d = 0.5 TWh/d, less charging and discharging losses.

- If New England were to have a 5 to 7 day wind and solar lull in winter, with snow on the panels, and a future load on the grid of 175 TWh/y, the NE shortfall (at 80% wind and solar), would be about 175 x 0.8/365 = 0.38 TWh/d, i.e., the 50 million EVs would cover that shortfall for about one day, provided other random events were absent

- Future US generation fed to grid could be about 8000 TWh/y/365 d = 21.92 TWh/d. It appears very significant additional grid-scale storage would be required.

The EV charging and discharging losses are not trivial.

A Tesla model 3 has a charging/rest time loss of about 20%
Assume 15% is due to charging
Assume 5% is due to rest time

An EV feeding to the grid 10 kWh would lose 10/0.85 = 11.76 kWh from its battery.
To get that back into the battery, the EV would draw 11.76 x 1.15 = 13.53 kWh from the grid, i.e., a loss of 3.53 kWh for the grid to gain 10 kWh.

100% RE is probably possible, which is true, because almost everything is probably possible. The key word is FEASIBLE.

I think the world should have 75% of all its primary energy from nuclear; France has proven that feasibility for decades.

A lot of inane nonsense discussions by lay people spread about by the mass media would be avoided and the cost would be far less than all the gymnastics required for 100% renewables.

Comment by Penny Gray on February 21, 2019 at 10:20am

If fossil fuels are banned, how will current populations deal with the loss of all plastics, including the addictive smart phones, laptop computers and wide screen TV's?  Everything in our modern lives is traced back to and composed of fossil fuels.  Imgagine hospitals with no medical/surgical equipment.  Roads and runways with no pavement. That's the 100% renewables future.  Nuclear is the only way forward if these green new deal folks want to maintain their standards of living.

Comment by Willem Post on February 21, 2019 at 9:33am



Table 1 shows a summary of partial capital costs of the GND*

* The table is not yet complete


Table 1/Source


Capital cost




Onshore wind



Offshore wind



Field mounted solar PV



Rooftop solar PV



CSP w/12-h storage



Hydro, reservoir/run-of-river



Battery storage, 15% x 8000 TWh @ $400/kWh



HVDC overlay grid




NOTE: As a minimum, Table 1 excludes the following items:


- Retrofit/replacement of almost all buildings to make them suitable for 100% heating and cooling with heat pumps. Supplementary heating/cooling with hydrogen would be allowed.

- Restructuring most of the US automobile industry

- Replacement of all E10 gasoline light duty vehicles (cars, crossovers, minivans, SUVs, ¼-ton pick-ups) with similar EVs, plus chargers everywhere.

- Replacement of all diesel vehicles, including off-road, farm vehicles and construction vehicles, freight trains, etc., with similar hydrogen-powered vehicles

- A new, nation-wide hydrogen production and distribution system

- Geothermal, wave and tidal were omitted in this analysis, because they would be of minor consequence.

- The daily electricity demand kept near constant by means of real-time supply and demand management.



- Battery storage system capacity, distributed throughout the US near load centers, is assumed at about 15% of total future electrical generation fed to grid, i.e., 15% x 8000 = 1200 TWh, delivered as AC to the high voltage grid.

- The capital cost of the storage systems would be about $480 TRILLION, at $400/kWh, about $120 TRILLION, if the Holy Grail price of $100/kWh would be achieved in the future. See URL

- Any electricity passing through battery storage has a loss of about 20%, on a high voltage AC-to-high voltage AC basis, to be made up with additional wind and solar generation.

- Battery systems lose about 10% of their storage capacity during their 15-year lifetime, to be made up by installing additional capacity.


NOTE: The mode of operation with grid-scale storage would be:


- All variable, intermittent wind and solar generation (87% of total generation), plus other generation would be stored.

Steady electricity would be drawn from storage, based on demand.

- The daily demand of about 8000/365 = 12.37 TWh would be kept near constant by means of real-time supply and demand management.



- CSP generation would be about 7% x 8000 = 560 TWh

- Each 150 MW plant would have 12-h of thermal storage to ensure 24/7/365 operation; co-firing with hydrogen would be allowed.




This URL shows wind and solar prices per kWh would be at least 45% to 55% higher without subsidies, and they would be even higher, if the costs of other items were properly allocated to the owners of wind and solar projects.


This URL shows about 2/3 of the financial value of a wind project is due to direct and indirect subsidies, and the other 1/3 is due to electricity sales.


An owner of a wind and solar project, looking to shelter taxable income from other businesses, is allowed to depreciate in 6 years almost the entire cost of a wind and solar project under the IRS scheme called Modified Accelerated Cost Recovery System, MARCS; the normal period for other forms of utility depreciation is about 20 years


Then, with help of Wall Street financial wizardry from financial tax shelter advisers, such as BNEF*, JPMorgan, etc., the owner sells the project to a new owner who is allowed to depreciate almost his entire cost all over again. The loss of tax revenues to federal and state governments due to MARCS is estimated by the IRS at $266 billion for the 5-y period of 2017 - 2021. This largesse is in addition to total of direct federal and state subsidies to such projects of about $25 billion per year.


* BNEF is Bloomberg New Energy Finance, owned by former Mayor Bloomberg of New York.


Warren Buffett quote: "I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire's tax rate," Buffet told an audience in Omaha, Nebraska recently. "For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That's the only reason to build them. They don't make sense without the tax credit." 




About 75% nuclear is the best approach to have low CO2/kWh and low household electric prices, c/kWh, as proven by France for decades.


- France CO2/kWh is about 10 times less than German CO2/kWh, which has spent at least $400 billion since 2000 on its ENERGIEWENDE program and has not much to show for it in terms of CO2 reduction. See graph and URL

- France also has one of the lowest household electric rates, c/kWh, in Europe. See graph and URL

- Germany and Denmark have highest RE/capita and highest household electric rates, c/kWh, in Europe. See graph and URL.

Comment by Thinklike A. Mountain on February 20, 2019 at 6:25pm

Senator Diane "Chinese Spy" Feinstein isn't helping.

Dianne Feinstein Pushes Funding for Climate Change Indoctrination

Ms. Feinstein spoke as part of her push for the “Climate Change Education Act,” a bill that would allocate resources to prepare teachers to promote the climate change agenda in schools.

“Despite the immediate danger posed by climate change, many middle school and high school teachers lack the training to teach students about it,” Feinstein said in a tweet. “Our bill will create professional development grants for teachers to ensure students are getting the best education they can.”

Read the full article at the following weblink:

Comment by Robert Powers on February 20, 2019 at 5:35pm


Comment by Penny Gray on February 20, 2019 at 5:29pm

A succint and well written piece that sums it up perfectly.

Hannah Pingree on the Maine expedited wind law

Hannah Pingree - Director of Maine's Office of Innovation and the Future

"Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine."


Maine as Third World Country:

CMP Transmission Rate Skyrockets 19.6% Due to Wind Power


Click here to read how the Maine ratepayer has been sold down the river by the Angus King cabal.

Maine Center For Public Interest Reporting – Three Part Series: A CRITICAL LOOK AT MAINE’S WIND ACT


(excerpts) From Part 1 – On Maine’s Wind Law “Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine if the law’s goals were met." . – Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting, August 2010 Part 2 – On Wind and Oil Yet using wind energy doesn’t lower dependence on imported foreign oil. That’s because the majority of imported oil in Maine is used for heating and transportation. And switching our dependence from foreign oil to Maine-produced electricity isn’t likely to happen very soon, says Bartlett. “Right now, people can’t switch to electric cars and heating – if they did, we’d be in trouble.” So was one of the fundamental premises of the task force false, or at least misleading?" Part 3 – On Wind-Required New Transmission Lines Finally, the building of enormous, high-voltage transmission lines that the regional electricity system operator says are required to move substantial amounts of wind power to markets south of Maine was never even discussed by the task force – an omission that Mills said will come to haunt the state.“If you try to put 2,500 or 3,000 megawatts in northern or eastern Maine – oh, my god, try to build the transmission!” said Mills. “It’s not just the towers, it’s the lines – that’s when I begin to think that the goal is a little farfetched.”

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