PPH Suggests Efficacy of Grid Scale Electricity Storage for Wind

"One obstacle to integrating large solar and wind projects is that operators need to constantly account for cloudy periods or sudden drops or surges in wind speed. Storing the output from solar and wind power in batteries can smooth those ups and downs....."

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/12/17/yarmouth-power-plant-installs...

So what is the cost and who is paying for it?

FACT: Experts say grid scale electricity storage is 40 years off. Or longer. And by that time we likely won't need it as we'll have true new energy source breakthroughs as opposed to simply redistribution of taxpayer money to the likes of Goldman Sachs. Until grid scale storage is here, undispatchable wind power is virtually useless. 

Erecting thousands of wind turbines in Maine before the grid can use them is like building a national system of airports before the invention of the airplane.

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Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on December 18, 2016 at 12:47pm

Time to start building the consensus and get the wording fine tuned so that it is defendable in court.

Comment by Paula D Kelso on December 18, 2016 at 12:43pm

A little too soon for new ordinances here, the honeymoon isn't over yet.

Shouldn't take long.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on December 18, 2016 at 12:16pm

Places like Clifton and other communities should work to enact an ordinance stating "Never Again" should a decommissioning occur at any point during or at the end of the life expectancy.  Yes the land will have been damaged but with an ordinance or two Wind Turbines, Met Towers of the future, and the sprawl of Cell / communication towers can be limited or eliminated as well. Structure height limits could serve to that end. Portland seems to have a 125 foot limit without exemptions or special permit. 

Comment by Paula D Kelso on December 18, 2016 at 10:24am

It may be too late for Clifton, but hopefully not too late for other Maine communities. With the original owners track record, we could count on Pisgah going belly up soon, but with the foreign investors, it will probably have to wait until they've done their 3 to 5 year skim of subsidies and REC's already awarded before they pull out and the 'local owners' call it quits.

Comment by Eskutassis on December 17, 2016 at 11:10pm

After spending the whole day trying to talk science to the illiterate trolls making ludicrous statements of the Green Religion, I find it a moot point that this battery power station was built as the last vestige of Obama's Power Plan policy. It is fitting that it will probably be the last thing built as Scott Pruitt and Rick Perry will join President Trump in dismantling the Unconstitutional regulations imposed on a gullible populace. I am sure that we will still be arguing with these zealots (trolls) but they will have no power to inflict any further damage to our beautiful Maine when the REC's and subsidies run out. It can't happen soon enough for me.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on December 17, 2016 at 8:49pm


Batteries, though they can store and release energy as the cycles flux up or down, add other toxins in their Life Cycle from cradle to grave, (assuming there is a grave) along with but another contributor to the CO² that all this renewable energy is suppose to be preventing.

And if one battery has a catastrophic failure (worst un-thought of event) such as an explosion (which they do) calculate the explosive force per Kwh stored in each of these. Then try to contemplate after nearby structures (could be) are in ruins the ecological damages with ground and water.

Again, with a few nudges in statutes, rules, regulations, over time the rate payers will see a hike and the taxpayers will be requested to foot the startup, and ongoing costs.

Another step into the Wild Wild world of Moldy Green while the world still does not get it......... Conservation or elimination of the need. Turn the freaking lights out and other devices off when not in use........ and those power leaching remote standby devices.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on December 17, 2016 at 8:44pm


Calculations based on current output of Solar at 20-43% in order to meet the Obama goal for 2050 with 50% of America's energy coming from Solar or Wind, solar would require over 9 billion acres to as low as 4.5 billion acres of land at the 2013 energy use per DOE. The Problem being that with only 1.9 Billion acres in the lower 48 states I see a shortfall.... ? Puzzle us that one.

Comment by Eskutassis on December 17, 2016 at 12:12pm

Boy, am I having fun on the comment page of this article. The moonbats are out.

Comment by Brad Blake on December 17, 2016 at 11:54am

Battery installation is yet another expensive prop to support unpredictable, unreliable, non-dispatchable diffuse sources of electricity from wind and solar. The irony of the Yarmouth location is siting next to the dinosaur of all sources of electricity produced within Maine. Nextra keeps that OIL-FIRED plant going simply to take advanbtage of huge spikes in costs when demand in ISO-NE soar. This plant is the largest single source of air pollution generated within the state of Maine.
Instead of storage batteries for feckless wind and a mostly idle oil fired plant, this site should be converted to an LNG terminal, taking advantage of the deep water anchorage that was utilized by the North Atlantic fleet of the US Navy in WWII. Conversion to LNG would get around the inability to expand NG pipeline capacity in New England, thus providing Maine with a stable, predictable supply of NG. The site could replace the dinosaur plant with a state of the art gas fired electricity generator that would negate any perceived need to destroy Maine's natural and scenic resources with industrial wind power projects.
These developments on Cousins Island would far more beneficial to business and residents of Maine.

 

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Maine Center For Public Interest Reporting – Three Part Series: A CRITICAL LOOK AT MAINE’S WIND ACT

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(excerpts) From Part 1 – On Maine’s Wind Law “Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine if the law’s goals were met." . – Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting, August 2010 https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-power-bandwagon-hits-bumps-in-the-road-3/From Part 2 – On Wind and Oil Yet using wind energy doesn’t lower dependence on imported foreign oil. That’s because the majority of imported oil in Maine is used for heating and transportation. And switching our dependence from foreign oil to Maine-produced electricity isn’t likely to happen very soon, says Bartlett. “Right now, people can’t switch to electric cars and heating – if they did, we’d be in trouble.” So was one of the fundamental premises of the task force false, or at least misleading?" https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-swept-task-force-set-the-rules/From Part 3 – On Wind-Required New Transmission Lines Finally, the building of enormous, high-voltage transmission lines that the regional electricity system operator says are required to move substantial amounts of wind power to markets south of Maine was never even discussed by the task force – an omission that Mills said will come to haunt the state.“If you try to put 2,500 or 3,000 megawatts in northern or eastern Maine – oh, my god, try to build the transmission!” said Mills. “It’s not just the towers, it’s the lines – that’s when I begin to think that the goal is a little farfetched.” https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/flaws-in-bill-like-skating-with-dull-skates/

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Hannah Pingree on the Maine expedited wind law

Hannah Pingree - Director of Maine's Office of Innovation and the Future

"Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine."

https://pinetreewatch.org/wind-power-bandwagon-hits-bumps-in-the-road-3/

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