NYSERDA chief to feds: No wind farms off Hamptons

Meanwhile, residents of interior Maine are lucky if monstrous wind turbines are not shoved to within a thousand feet of their homes.

The Maine legislature's idea of protecting "Vacationland" residents

New York State will emphasize its position that windfarms off the Hamptons are a nonstarter as federal regulators begin the public process of auctioning off lease rights to waters off the South Shore.

Doreen Harris, the newly named president and chief executive of the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority, in an interview Thursday, said the state next week will make a detailed case for instead focusing on two other wind areas to the west. Harris had previously been acting chief executive of NYSERDA............................... Public officials including Southampton Supervisor Jay Schniederman and fishing groups oppose windfarms in the Fairways areas, which at 15 miles from shore would be visible from beaches and some of the nation’s most expensive houses...............................................Turbines in the Fairways areas off the Hamptons would be as near as 15 miles to 20 miles from shore, and visible on clear days. "Of course it's a factor," Harris said of the visibility of the turbines from shore in the state's favoring other wind-energy areas.............................................................

In his recent speech after passage of the state budget, Cuomo mentioned the massive influx of new wind energy coming to the grid and the need for an energy "superhighway to get that green energy from Upstate, from Long Island, from the ocean to the markets that need it."

LIPA has already proposed more than $1.5 billion in upgrades for Long Island to help facilitate that plan, and wants the cost to be spread around statewide so that Long Islanders alone aren’t stuck with the bill.....................................


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Comment by Sandy Wolfe on April 12, 2021 at 11:39pm

Of course these look like they aren't turning. They just reminded me of the consistent bizarre behavior of the wind turbines of the GWWEP.

Comment by Sandy Wolfe on April 12, 2021 at 11:34pm

The wind turbines shown with this article are pointing in completely different directions. When we lived among the Golden West Wind Energy project wind turbines they would regularly be spinning facing a multitude of directions that were meaningless to any wind. My husband took a lot of pictures of that wind project ignoring the whim of the wind.

Comment by Willem Post on April 12, 2021 at 12:54pm

Heat Pumps are Money Losers in my Vermont House (as they are in almost all people's houses)


My annual electricity consumption increased about 50% (the various taxes, fees, and surcharges also increased), after I installed three Mitsubishi, 24,000 Btu/h heat pumps, each with 2 heads; 2 in the living room, 1 in the kitchen, and 1 in each of 3 bedrooms.

The heat pumps last about 15 years.


They are used for heating and cooling my 35-y-old, well-sealed/well-insulated house. It has 2” of blueboard (R-10 vs <R-0.67 for 8” concrete) on the outside of the concrete foundation and under the basement slab which has saved me many thousands of heating dollars over the 35 years.

The heat pumps displaced about 300 gallon of my normal space heating of about 1,000 gal

Domestic hot water, DHW, heating, requires about 200 gallon


My existing Viessmann propane system, 95%-efficient in condensing mode, is used on cold days, 15F or less, because heat pumps have low efficiencies, i.e., low Btu/kWh, at exactly the same time my house would need the most heat; a perverse situation, due to the laws of Physics 101!!


The heat pumps would be slightly more efficient than electric resistance heaters at -10F, the Vermont HVAC design temperature. It would be extremely irrational to operate air source heat pumps, “cold-climate” or not, at such temperatures.


I have had no energy cost savings, because of high household electric rates, augmented with taxes, fees and surcharges. Vermont forcing, with subsidies, the addition of expensive RE electricity to the mix, would make matters worse!!


Amortizing the $24,000 turnkey capital cost at 3.5%/y for 15 years costs about $2,059/y; I am losing money.


There likely will be service calls and parts for the heat pumps, as the years go by, in addition to annual service calls and parts for the existing propane system; I am losing more money.




If I had a highly sealed, highly insulated house, with the same efficient propane heating system, my house would use very little energy for heating.

If I would install heat pumps* and would operate the propane system on only the coldest days, I likely would have energy cost savings.

However, those annual energy cost savings would be overwhelmed by the annual amortizing cost, i.e., I would still be losing money, if amortizing were considered.


* I likely would need 3 units at 18,000 Btu/h, at a lesser turnkey capital cost. Their output, very-inefficiently produced, would be about 27,000 Btu/h at -10F, the Vermont HVAC design temperature.


NOTE: VT-DPS found, after a survey of 87 heat pumps installed in Vermont houses (turnkey cost for a one-head HP system is about $4,500), the annual energy cost savings were, on average, $200, but the annual amortizing costs turned that gain into a loss of $200, i.e., on average, these houses were unsuitable for heat pumps, and the owners were losing money.



NOTE: Standard weatherizing of Vermont’s energy-hog houses, at about $10,000/unit, would not make these house suitable for air-source heat pumps.


Zero-Net-Energy and Energy-Surplus Buildings: The best approach for New England is having buildings that are zero-net-energy, or even better, energy-surplus. It used to be difficult to build such buildings, but that is no longer the case.


Such buildings would:


- Have solar panels

- Have batteries

- Have a large hot water-storage tank

- Have ground source heat pumps (they are efficient year-round)

- Be highly insulated

- R-8, windows, R-8 doors, R-40 walls, R-60 roof, R-20 basement

- Be highly sealed, with less than 0.6 air changes per hour, ACH, as measured with blower-door testing.

- Be off-the grid with a generator.


The invested capital and subsidies, now wastefully going to RE that produces expensive grid-disturbing, electricity, should be going to such efficient buildings, i.e., put the cart behind the horse.


However, Wall Street, Warren Buffett, and GMP love these tax credits and fast write-offs, while playing the GW mantras to the hill.



The US, with a low-cost, self-sufficient, energy sector would attract European, etc., heavy-industry/industrial production to the US.

 Europe wants more low-cost gas from Russia to remain competitive

Europe wants the US to have a high-cost energy sector, with lots of wind and solar, that would mimic the European sector, to negate any advantage the US would have with a low-cost energy sector.

Comment by Willem Post on April 10, 2021 at 9:38pm

Maine is in active discussions to add 781 MW of wind turbines in Maine, according to ISO-NE the NE grid operator.

This will merely destroy more ridge lines.

It will add 10 c/ kWh wind electricity to the Maine electricity mix, which has an average price of 6 c/kWh, and it will increase electric bills, while wind system-owning multi-millionaires are laughing all the way to the bank.

Comment by Donna Amrita Davidge on April 10, 2021 at 6:52pm

TRAGIC..but if anyone can stop them in NY it's the wealthy of the Hamptons while our woods and waters suffer...

Comment by Willem Post on April 10, 2021 at 5:41pm

Biden’s nutty energy policy will upset a lot of people, including millions of Democrats 

Democrats will lose the US House and Senate in 2022, and the Presidency in 2024.

Trump’s energy policy put Americans, before global warming idiocy, and made America ENERGY INDEPENDENT 

Trump will stop Biden’s idiotic open borders policy. 
Trump will finish building the wall, the only sane way to stop the hordes of refugees from all sorts of godforsaken places.


Maine as Third World Country:

CMP Transmission Rate Skyrockets 19.6% Due to Wind Power


Click here to read how the Maine ratepayer has been sold down the river by the Angus King cabal.

Maine Center For Public Interest Reporting – Three Part Series: A CRITICAL LOOK AT MAINE’S WIND ACT


(excerpts) From Part 1 – On Maine’s Wind Law “Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine if the law’s goals were met." . – Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting, August 2010 https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-power-bandwagon-hits-bumps-in-the-road-3/From Part 2 – On Wind and Oil Yet using wind energy doesn’t lower dependence on imported foreign oil. That’s because the majority of imported oil in Maine is used for heating and transportation. And switching our dependence from foreign oil to Maine-produced electricity isn’t likely to happen very soon, says Bartlett. “Right now, people can’t switch to electric cars and heating – if they did, we’d be in trouble.” So was one of the fundamental premises of the task force false, or at least misleading?" https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-swept-task-force-set-the-rules/From Part 3 – On Wind-Required New Transmission Lines Finally, the building of enormous, high-voltage transmission lines that the regional electricity system operator says are required to move substantial amounts of wind power to markets south of Maine was never even discussed by the task force – an omission that Mills said will come to haunt the state.“If you try to put 2,500 or 3,000 megawatts in northern or eastern Maine – oh, my god, try to build the transmission!” said Mills. “It’s not just the towers, it’s the lines – that’s when I begin to think that the goal is a little farfetched.” https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/flaws-in-bill-like-skating-with-dull-skates/

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Hannah Pingree on the Maine expedited wind law

Hannah Pingree - Director of Maine's Office of Innovation and the Future

"Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine."


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