New Maine wind project owner arrives amid fight over proposed site in Moosehead region (PPH)

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Comment by Paula D Kelso on September 17, 2016 at 11:10pm

Went to Holden today for Fun Frolic and had a nice time with our daughter visiting from San Diego.

So she's driving us home and I look up and sure enough there's a crane on top of Pisgah Mountain.

I hope some of those people who think Pisgah is way far away from them realize now how near those wind turbines are going to be. Our daughter hiked up Chick Hill this morning (Dad and I too old for that!). Anyway, after growing up here she hadn't made the climb before and was amazed at the view. In a few months five WT's will feature prominently in that viewshed. We should have sold our house before now. Blegh!

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on September 17, 2016 at 1:20pm

Book Review: Link Available on Amazon it seems. 

Comment by Thinklike A. Mountain on September 17, 2016 at 1:15pm

Eskutassis - perhaps add to the reading list this one:

Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed by Christopher Horner

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on September 17, 2016 at 12:50pm

A reason to work under a moratorium, which offers a community protection until they can get their requirements into ordinances, rules and such.

These ordinances can go by law, 180 days at a time, and can be reinstituted almost indefinitely under statute so long as progress is being made.  It would take a court order to halt any further ordinances and that too could be a lengthy time.

This is the only way under our current system that the peoples of a community get a say when threatened. Unfortunately the UT's are left unprotected in that sense and to the demise of the State and County officials. That too is being challenged, though slow in development.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on September 17, 2016 at 12:43pm

I can agree with you on you with that situation, and thus the reason for democracy to be a slow process not a rush to the end. This is also a reason to have as many community members involved as possible (sometimes impossible). Our government was by designed on the Basics for all peoples as a set of primary laws. It was later in the second constitution amended with those amendments we now claim as additional rights. One being the ability to redress our complaints or concerns to these basic principles when laws of protection are enacted against us or for those that are needed to protect us from ourselves, the enemy within the nation (corporations and elitists or others that would try to destroy the constitutional principals). It was intended that we as citizens govern ourselves as communities, and with sufficient communities adopting certain laws (ordinances) present these when the numbers were sufficient to be a majority to our elected representatives to the Federal level to enact, or modify.

We have become to reliant on our Government to do this work, which has lead to a Minority Rule situation. Corporations use their corporate voices $$$ in our halls of Congress and suppress ours because we do not build our laws from the bottom up. A change to amend the Constitution is underway that would remove the Corporate Personhood, and silence their $$$ voices.

Though they would bare no standing at the current time, each community should enact ordinances they feel they need as protection. As when the time comes that a statute or law ever drops its guard for even a moment, the state can not supercede to Lower the level of protection.

This seems to be a confusion point with many that are attempting ordinances and such, however it is the general ruling of many cases. The ordinance would have standing, over the statute if the state goes lower than the ordinance level. 

Governments only functions are to function for the people and protect the citizens that created it and allow it to exist. It was never meant to be a Nanny provider.

Corporations were not considered people when the Second constitution was drafted, however through the courts and liberal interpretation of words, they have received a status of personhood.

They were viewed as The Enemy Within, and the constitution was drafted and written accordingly. 

WE the people need to constantly push back (even but a little each time), with our democratic voices. Not allow a political machine of any name, hijack our voices that allow us to insist on being protected from those that seek to control. 

BTW thanks for your work in attempting to protect communities. 

Comment by Paula D Kelso on September 17, 2016 at 11:33am

Well, here's the thing. When one starts down the road to zoning and land use regulating one's town, there are 50 million decisions one has to make. Some big, some little, some consequential, some inconsequential. The devil of the thing is that when one is developing and adopting land use regulation is that you don't know what you don't know. For instance, that a wind energy facility is going to be proposed for your town. So one attempts to put together a regulatory document that can deal with those unknowns. In my case, being the lead in writing the land use ordinance for our little town with maybe 8 commercial and 3 industrial uses existing at the time, zoning and regulating were positively hypothetical.  When we started, the State was pushing for town's to zone, then it backed off before we finished. So the theme of the LUO that I drafted and presented to the Planning Board and they debated and revised was to regulate more by impact than by use and location in the town. Somewhat long into the process it seemed to me that this approach requires a lot of intelligence and wisdom to administer, not necessarily a small town's long suit. [Not necessarily a small state's long suit either, but I digress.] So we ended up with a 200 page, fairly difficult to grasp document. In that LUO, I think we did a good job designating commercial and industrial uses and the process the town was going to use to site and regulate these uses. But my big mistake was in the Utilities category of uses to not realize, yes distribution lines have to go to the user, yes transmission lines have to go pretty much from here to there, but generation facilities are industrial uses that require more specific zoning and regulating. Normally that should have been a relatively easy mistake to correct, we corrected a lot of mistakes in the first year of use of the LUO. But try correcting that mistake after a wind turbine salesman comes to town. In the first year of use of the LUO, I felt like I was the parent of a 16 year-old and had left home for the weekend and handed the 16 year-old the keys to the liquor cabinet, the keys to the new 4-wheel drive pickup and my credit card. It only went down hill from there. Paula's Precious Pearl for today - always assume there's knowledge you need but don't have and try to act smart, and don't give away authority and control blithely.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on September 17, 2016 at 10:58am

@ Paula:

Industrial vs Commercial To understand the difference between industrial and commercial, one should simply look at how these two terms are used in the English language. These two words are used with different senses. For example, there is industrial property as well as commercial property. At the same time, in the sense of business, there is industrial sector as well as commercial sector. When we think about commercial, we associate the term normally with profit. Then, when we think about industrial, we normally associate that term with the production process. Since production process and profit go hand in hand one might think both industrial and commercial mean the same. That, however, is a false assumption. Though the terms have meanings that are somewhat connected, that does not mean they are the same. Therefore, in this article we will explore what industrial and commercial stand for.

More at Link: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-industrial-and-...

I believe through this logic, the wind farms are Industrial, they sell their power which on the grid to commercial resellers. Though both make a profit.

Residential is residential but could be viewed also as industrial in a sense as a producer and commercial as a seller when net metering is factored into the equation.

 

Comment by Eskutassis on September 17, 2016 at 10:45am

What is also a real tragedy is that when all is said and done, and in 50 years (Most of us won't be around) when they discover that the entire "Global Warming" fraud is a hoax, there will still probably be gigantic wind towers, rusting and falling down.  The damage will have been done and will have to wait for the next ice age to wipe it away.  

For some good late night reading try:

The Wind Farm Scam by John Etherington  First book that got me started as a denier.

Don't Let the Kids Drink The Kool-Aid by Marybeth Hicks

Watermelons by James Delingpole  Explains all the political dealing.

Climate Change Facts Edited by Alan Moran with 23 great fact filled writings

These will give you all the ammunition to stand toe to toe with any Climate Change fanatic.

Comment by Paula D Kelso on September 16, 2016 at 1:39pm

Just some words of caution and hindsight.

Here in Clifton I dumbly categorized wind energy facilities as utility uses, not industrial. Why did that matter, cause under utilities we talk about they have to be here there and everywhere. My efforts to amend the Land Use Ordinance to recognize that this would be an industrial use was to no avail. Also, the Pisgah project is located in the resource preservation district and should have been subject to a town vote to establish a special development district just for that purpose. That would have allowed the Town to add extra requirements and regulations. The Planning Board never brought the issue of an additional special district to the voters. Our group brought that issue to the Appeals Board but they failed to make a finding on that issue. There were so many times and places that some heavy lifting at that juncture could have turned this around. The die was cast with the developers doing pre-app lobbying in the community and the town's citizens (myself included) having no idea how to fight fire with fire. There have been so many mistakes made by so many people, but I refuse to believe that that is any reason for us to give up. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm seeing some sunlight behind those clouds. Persevere.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on September 15, 2016 at 6:13pm

History will also look back when the turbines are gone,  and look back from space, maybe a moon colony and wonder what all the Pox Marks came from in Maine. Something they appear to be already using Google Earth from about 25 miles up. (20 miles outside our atmosphere). Somehow they (those twp, communities, UT's) need to obtain a Non-industrialized zone status, with a natural resource tourism based business environment. (up to them to determine how to better protect each other together) 

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