Message regarding EPA - - - - This is my post.
The EPA and DOE have been highly instrumental in crippling the economy in the United States. The entire "Climate Change" scam was developed to "fundamentally transfer wealth" from the US to the rest of the world. That quote is directly from the former Co-Chair of the IPCC, Ottmar Edenhofer, a pro Marxist ECONOMIST, not a scientist. The sooner we can extricate ourselves from the Paris agreement and the UN-IPCC, and get our scientists out from under the blanket they have been stifled under for the last 20 years, the better we will be, the more jobs we will create and the more our economy will recover.
The climate is changing and has been changing for the last 4 billion years. We have to learn to live with that natural change, though it is not going to be catastrophic. CO2 has never been reliably tied to warming scientifically, only on flawed computer models. Renewable energy is never going to take the place of energy dense fossil fuels, nuclear or hydro power. Renewable energy will never provide cheap, reliable, continuous energy. These are facts and we have been fed a litany of lies on what they produce, how much it costs, how many people they employ, how few birds they kill, how they don't make any noise, how they don't spoil the landscape of scenic places, and I can go on.
The problem with these industries is that they rely completely on the "investment" of government subsidies to build them and then RPG's to prop up the price of what they have to charge to make them competitive. Those are taxpayer dollars! They are going into the pockets of elite "investors" that take the money, put in little of their own and then operate these companies taking more and more tax dollars to run them. Anyone remember Enron? Most of these "investors" are old Enron guys with a new angle. The whole thing is a fraud and many of them have absconded with the money . . . Sun Edison being the biggest, so far leaving the shareholders with NOTHING.
Believe me, the last forty years or so has seen a huge improvement to our environment. Our air is clean, our water is clean, our rivers have been cleaned up, waste is now being sensibly disposed of, and I do not see a return to the excesses or pollution we saw during the 40's,50's and 60's. Those days are over, but we have to return to what made us great, and that is going to require energy, energy that can't be provided by windmills and solar panels. As far as I'm concerned anyone can put solar on their house if they choose, but I should not have to pay for it through subsidies (my taxes). Windmills belong back in the 1600's, not in the 21st century. I have faith that we can be responsible stewards of our planet and still use what got us here, fossil fuels, nuclear and hydro power.
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Comment by Jim Lutz on May 14, 2017 at 5:07pm
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Mr. Start;
I have been away for a few days so am just getting back to a reply.
I am NOT a climate change denier, nor am I an unscientific lunatic driven by a New World Order bunch of "climatologists" led by economists and political drivers and computer models that have proven almost 100% wrong on every prediction they have made.
As I said in my original post, the Planet Earth is roughly 4 billion years old and has gone through thousands of changes in her atmosphere and her climate. It is almost impossible to go back to collectible data more than a few million years ago, but we do have pretty good datasets going back through those periods. Of course they can not be pinned down to fractions of a degree but the data shows that during the last periods of time we can read, we have been very much warmer than today and also very much warmer. CO2 levels have been very much higher than they currently are and have also been somewhat lower. Its hard to get much lower than they are presently as they are at about 400 PARTS PER MILLION, or 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere. For some unscientific reason the charlatans of the AGW community have been able to promote the idea that CO2 is a TOXIC POLLUTANT and evn small increments will end up with the destruction of the whole ecosystem. IT IS NOT. It is as important to our atmosphere as Oxygen and Nitrogen. Without CO2 our planet would die, that's right, it would DIE.
The climate is changing just as it has in previous eons, even eons when no human existed. The climate is most driven by changes in the sun and changes in the wobble of the Earth on her own axis, something we have absolutely NO control over.
My argument with "alternative energy" is driven purely by economics and reality. The forms they have chosen as "clean" are NOT clean first of all, are so expensive they are driving the cost of just plain living through the roof, are environmentally unfriendly and are completely unsustainable to provide reliable, continuous, economical and baseload power to allow our country to return to the economic power she once was.
It really comes down to dollars and sense. That's right SENSE. Common Sense. The science you speak of is NOT real science. They formed a premise and gathered data to support their premise. They eliminated any data that did not meet their premise and computer model. Real scientists to follow the scientific method where if data is discovered that is outside your theory, you have to change your theory. They have not.
As I said in my primary post, we are through with the era of polluting our air, land and water to the degree we did in the past. New rules and regulations will never be eliminated that allow that to return. But some of the ridiculous regulations of the last eight years are so restrictive they will never allow a future for us, and most of the other countries involved have no incentive or intention of fulfilling the goals they have agreed to. And there is absolutely no reason they have to, because there are no penalties involved. We are playing against a stacked deck, and will lose more and more jobs to China and India.
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Comment by James M. Talcott on May 12, 2017 at 7:13pm
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Sir, I am not the one presenting the argument either way nor am I trying to impress you with a resume of those that may agree with me. I have simply stated that I do not agree with your conclusions and I am sure we can agree that is my right as it is your right to agree with those that make a business out of climate change. Thank you.
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Thank you, Jim.
The various subsidy schemes were hatched in Wall Street and in Washington, and that bonanza has enriched a few thousand multi millionaires at the expense of all of us.
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Comment by Pineo Girl on May 12, 2017 at 1:04pm
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Excellent post Jim! The Paris Climate Change Agreement is exactly that! Just an attempt to transfer wealth - There will be no action to ameliorate the climate. Both Canada and China have increased their use of coal by 20%. And France has shut down its nuclear facilities and is now buying energy from Poland, energy produced from brown coal. And those 48 countries (all close to the equator)(who have pledged to go 100% renewable, I happened to catch a presentation by the CEO of Barbado's utility on the Caribbean news channel. Neither the people of Barbados nor the utility was consulted regarding this decision, and this is undoubtedly true for most of these 48 counties. As it has been said the UN is now just a social club of mostly nobodies trying to be big shots! And regarding lowering emissions, the US has done more than most countries - and its not through producing wind and solar power! Hydro-power is THE only firm source of renewable energy! And it is not even considered a class one renewable! Why? Because the powers that used be couldn't make gobs of money off of it! It is no secret that the shareholders of Sun Edison requested that Leon Podesta, Larry Summers, Rahm Emanuel, and Paul Gaynor be indicted - They are thieving crooks and we are all being sold a bill of goods about saving the Earth! It is the biggest hoax to be perpetrated on supposedly intelligent people for a very long time! The environment is now a big big industry! You want to clean up the air? 54% of Maine's emissions come from the transportation sector! Forbid diesel automobiles and trucks! Car pool! Stop allowing private jets like the one Al Gore flies around in!
The good news for you Mr. Start is that honest climate experts estimate the world will run out of fossil fuels by 2050! And maybe Stephen Hawking is correct - Humans need to begin to colonize another planet now - Well by 2050 Mainers can be among the first to go because you will freeze your ass of if you live in Maine!
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Thank you for your reply Mr. Start. I would point out to you that I am only requesting that which you are requesting of Mr. Lutz. Without any corroborating facts all of our opinions are worth naught. Thank you for your reference to the University of Australia, I will peruse their information for factual presentation. What I "suppose" pertaining directly to "climatologists " and the "Kyoto Treaty" is currently, that any person or organization that is involved monetarily with climate discussion has an interest in that discussion which would result in favorable conclusions drawn for their point of view. Until proven otherwise, I will remain skeptical of catastrophic climate change.
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Comment by Donna Amrita Davidge on May 12, 2017 at 8:58am
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Please let's refrain from calling them windmills this goes along with their deceptive language- farms etc- they are INDUSTRIAL TURBINES run on 400 gallons of oil and a switch- and fabricated of toxic materials- windmills are wooden structures in back yards that do not tower nearly 500 feet and ruin people's lives- otherwise the article is right on
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I want to be sure that my "100% Correct comment, applied to Jim Lutz's excellent post...NOT Mr Start's...
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Mr. Start I would respect your writing much more if you could present specifics rather than opinions. As a start, your statement regarding CO2 is completely false, case in point is that NASA and Univ. of Maryland have done research which show the increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere is speeding up the recovery of ozone and the closing of the ozone hole located at the South Pole. Minor research before posing is advised in order to illustrate a point.
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100% Correct!
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Maine Center For Public Interest Reporting – Three Part Series: A CRITICAL LOOK AT MAINE’S WIND ACT
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(excerpts) From Part 1 – On Maine’s Wind Law “Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine if the law’s goals were met." . – Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting, August 2010 https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-power-bandwagon-hits-bumps-in-the-road-3/From Part 2 – On Wind and Oil Yet using wind energy doesn’t lower dependence on imported foreign oil. That’s because the majority of imported oil in Maine is used for heating and transportation. And switching our dependence from foreign oil to Maine-produced electricity isn’t likely to happen very soon, says Bartlett. “Right now, people can’t switch to electric cars and heating – if they did, we’d be in trouble.” So was one of the fundamental premises of the task force false, or at least misleading?" https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-swept-task-force-set-the-rules/From Part 3 – On Wind-Required New Transmission Lines Finally, the building of enormous, high-voltage transmission lines that the regional electricity system operator says are required to move substantial amounts of wind power to markets south of Maine was never even discussed by the task force – an omission that Mills said will come to haunt the state.“If you try to put 2,500 or 3,000 megawatts in northern or eastern Maine – oh, my god, try to build the transmission!” said Mills. “It’s not just the towers, it’s the lines – that’s when I begin to think that the goal is a little farfetched.” https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/flaws-in-bill-like-skating-with-dull-skates/
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Hannah Pingree on the Maine expedited wind law
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"Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine."
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