More than 100 people ask if Mass energy policy will destroy Moosehead Lake region

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Comment by Paula D Kelso on August 20, 2017 at 4:03pm

If I see or hear one more person justify the taking of bird life by wind turbines with the phrase that cats kill more birds than turbines do, I'm going to cough up a fur ball.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on August 18, 2017 at 10:50pm

Comments/Report from an Attendee:

I attended the meeting in Rockwood.

"No, your Honor. I did not sign the guest book."

8 Somerset County Commissioners; 120 public attendance, 21 public comments. Slide presentation by Richard McDonald. Meeting length: 1h 30m.

The Misery Ridge wind project has gone public as of the Wed. Aug. 16 public meeting in Rockwood. The anti wind farm coalition eloquently stated its case to the county commissioners.

The time has come to press our state legislators for their support in the battle to prevent Maine from being taken over by corporate wind farms, transmission lines and pipelines. If we do not put up a fight immediately, in advance of these projects being filed with the PUC, we will inevitably loose the Maine that we know and have experienced. If we sit back and do not fight the imminent and long-term corporate invasion of Maine, it will be our own fault for doing nothing. 

I would say there is a very strong and competent anti wind farm coalition in the Moosehead region. 

The most important message that I observed is the urgency in contacting our state legislators and apply some political heat. Those ones serving us in Augusta like being re-elected. Citizens get only the legislative representation that they demand. 

The meeting in Rockwood was quite inspiring. 

Peace,

Everett 

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on August 18, 2017 at 6:28pm

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The Natives are Restless

guestnulll • a day ago

I have been meaning to get up that way for about 20 years now. Better hurry up before the scenery looks like a once attractive girl now smothered in ugly repulsive tattoos. And who is the Maine Senator that is orchestrating the whole thing? O yes, the one that is from away.

Jim Wiegand • a day ago

The answer for many was loud and clear: “Save our mountains our wildlife and our pocketbooks — No Wind Farms, no government lies, no fraud, no corporate/interior Department collusion, no rigged or staged research, no rigged production credits, not a word from any sellout conservation groups like Audubon and no green energy enslavement by these international investors."


Marie_Jane123 » Jim Wiegand • a day ago

Jim Wiegand the international scene gets more interesting all the time. The recent and increasing chatter from the people of Denmark (our 2009 last administration wind turbine role model) indicates that they and the rest of Europe are getting quite fed up and there is every indication that Europe's wind industry is leaving those "unfriendly waters" and heading for very friendly, very "green"$$$ U.S.A. ... the same chatter comes from Germany and France, as well. It is unfortunate that U.S. media will not give the public the truth you so aptly describe but not one is allowed to hear.

Marie_Jane123 • a day ago



HFMAFEE I share the following with you because you are using lines from the "Industrial Wind Turbine Standard Operating Procedure Manual" ....... Convincing to some 15 years ago

but the facts are there and you should read and share those because now you can back up, if you choose to quote fact, a true statement with FACT. Please read and share: Will a corrupt legal system bury the scientific facts in this report? Please read, copy and circulate this important 31 page report...... https://api.ning.com/…/pS32j...

Jim Wiegand » Marie_Jane123 • a day ago

Will a corrupt legal system bury the scientific facts in this report? Yes!!!!!!!!!! I have been involved in 3 wind industry cases . Each time my words and expert questions, the attorneys were supposed to ask the fake experts, never hit the courtroom. A fourth case is currently underway in New York. I called the Attorney July 25th about some of the info in these posts.Must Read: MAPLE RIDGE WIND POWER AVIAN AND BAT FATALITY STUDY REPORT and .............Copy these lists and present them to the slimy turbine peddlers at every community meeting. I still have not heard back and New York has been blocking my posts to a public site where I should be able to educate the public..

Marie_Jane123 » Jim Wiegand • a day ago

Manipulation of data and information and character assassination are part of the defense against people who speak the truth about the corrupt industrial wind turbine agenda. Fake experts expounding fake data are used by attorneys against people who in order to protect their well-being and impart truth have become the true and unquestionable experts in every detail. This disregard by the attorneys for the true experts, the people, who have experienced the realities of the industrial wind turbine agenda has been prevalent and excused since the early beginnings when it became apparent that industrial wind turbines were not good anywhere or for anyone.

Nog • a day ago

Brought to you by the "Keep Jobs out of Maine" committee.

Eric A. Tuttle • a day ago

There would have been many more in attendance had notification of this event gotten out earlier.

Marty » Eric A. Tuttle • a day ago

Apologies, Eric. We thought it was fairly well publicized. Somerset County Commissioners indicated they would likely discuss the issue at their next meeting, September 6. I recommend checking their website for a forthcoming meeting agenda.

Jim Wiegand » Marty • a day ago

Marty..........At these two posts is 100 percent scientific proof of government approved fraudulent turbine impact research. Please make sure Commissioners are aware of how this fraudulent industry is using rigged research to hide over 90% of their slaughter to highly protected species. ..............Must Read: MAPLE RIDGE WIND POWER AVIAN AND BAT FATALITY STUDY REPORT https://docs.wind-watch.org/maple_ridge_report_2006.pdf and .............Copy these lists and present them to the slimy turbine peddlers at every community meeting

Eric A. Tuttle » Marty • a day ago

A Link to the website included in your comment would have been nice for assisting in attending the next meeting. Guess we will have to dig for it since it was elusive the last time I attended a SSC meeting. But thanks for the heads up on the date.

Marty » Eric A. Tuttle • a day ago

http://www.somersetcounty-m...

Jim Wiegand » Eric A. Tuttle • a day ago

A common slimy tactic from these Bas****s.

Breakneck • a day ago

Massachusetts refused to allow a natural gas pipeline connector that would have given Maine access to the regional gas pipeline grid, lowering our energy costs and providing for a diverse energy market. But now, Massachusetts wants us in Maine to move heaven and earth so that they can have "sustainable" (or whatever their buzzword is this week) power down there. Clearly, the same people who come to Maine and torment us during tourist times want things all their way. Now that Ted Kennedy has gone to his eternal reward (or punishment), Massachusetts can simply install all the wind turbines they want out in the waters of Hyannis Bay. They are not good neighbors and Maine should do nothing to accommodate them.

Patten_Pete » Breakneck • a day ago

The Mass legislature's leadership coerces the legislature to create these mandates - "Thou shall buy products we decide upon". If legislators don't go along, things get tough for them. And guess why the leadership pushes these laws. Guess why they do everything in their power to push wind power. HINT: It only seems like ideology. It isn't.

Marie_Jane123 » Patten_Pete • a day ago

Interesting you should say this, Patten_Pete. Of our 200 MA Legislators, there was only one NO vote to furthering the industrial wind turbine/renewable agenda by 1600 additional MW/s. Seemed rather strange given the problems that have been incurred by MA residents that only one legislator would have voted against that Bill. The story behind the story ............

Marty • a day ago

David Gaier, the NRG East Region senior director and spokesman in New Jersey, may have told Doug Harlow that the Somerset Wind project is still in its infancy, but that is inaccurate. In its proposal to Massachusetts, NRG states: "Somerset Wind is in the advanced stages of project development and is well positioned to deliver renewable energy for the following reasons: "The Project will qualify as RPS Class I renewable energy resource. The Project meets the minimum contract size of 20 MW and delivered energy from the Project will be incremental to ISO New England (“ISO-NE”) via the construction of a new generating unit. Somerset has secured over 24,000 acres of private land for the construction of wind turbines and ancillary project facilities including all necessary land to the point of interconnection to MCPC. The wind resource at Somerset is excellent, arguably one of the best wind regimes and ridgeline orientation in New England. Somerset has implemented a strong wind data collection program, collecting data from six 60m meteorological towers and six SODAR units. Data has been quality controlled and long term referenced by NRG and third parties. Somerset Wind has completed necessary pre-development studies required for permitting including, without limitation, avian, bat, wildlife, plants, wetlands, aesthetics and microwave resources "The Project could achieve commercial operation as early as 4Q 2019 to meet the full Production Tax Credit so long as suitable transmission is available on MCPC. The Delivery Point is a node on the ISO-NE Pooled Transmission Facilities. The Project will utilize technically and commercially viable wind turbine technology. NRG Energy has developed and financed projects of similar size and scope, and maintains supply chain partnerships to implement Somerset Wind. NRG Energy has financial capacity in place for the development of the Project and the required security."

Don Quixote • a day ago

A couple of points . . . . These are 600+ foot turbines counting the blades, 180 of them, that are taller than any building in the state of Maine, even buildings in Portland and Augusta. The tips of these blades travel at more than 200 miles per hour and are raptor, songbird and bat shredders. They are taller than 60 story buildings and have no place in our forests or on our ridgetops. Did anyone know, the Hancock Tower in Boston is 60 stories? It is 780 feet but get a view of that in in the woods of Maine. Is that your idea of quality space? They have incessantly blinking red and white lights, and if they are visible across a calm lake on a dark night, they are inescapable! Even though they are far enough away from you to not hear them, the wildlife is impacted, birds, mammals, etc. They destroy the sense of peace and place people who go to the lake have when they have come to Maine to experience wilderness. For those of us that have spent a lifetime on a certain lake watching stars and listening to loons, watching Bald Eagles soar and catching fish, lighting kerosene lamps at night because we have no electricity (and we want it like that), it has ruined our experience. Since those turbines went up eight years ago

, I have spent a total of ONE night there. I used to stay for weeks. For all the people of Somerset County . . . You said NO once and they don't deserve a second chance. You have the power to say NO! JUST SAY NO!!!

HFMAFEE » Don Quixote • a day ago

Don, where did your electricity come from to power whatever device you used to leave your comment? If you haven't spent more than one night in the woods camping in eight years because of clean energy, it's your loss.

Jim Wiegand » HFMAFEE • a day ago

Start doing your own math and you will discover plenty about wind energy. Incredibly while this industry is busy selling their lies and turbines to the public with corrupt politicians people like Al Gore, enough truly cheap energy in the form of coal, natural gas and fossil fuels is being exported annually that could provide Americans with the kilowatt energy equal to wind energy production many times over. On the flip side, these same energy providers and corporate interests are then soaking consumers by selling them this very expensive "green energy." But there is more, they have given themselves Production Tax Credits and they even lie about this as well because a large portion of green energy is lost in production and transmission losses. Are we in a climate change crisis? Even if we are, this fraudulent, inefficient turbine industry can do nothing about it. Here is more hey won't tell you, virtually all the future energy used to charge batteries and transportation will be coming from other sources of energy.It will not come from these turbines Here is the true message consumers should be seeing ........This is a high impact, non-solution industry living off of fraud and wasted tax dollars.

Don Quixote » HFMAFEE • a day ago

Didn't come from wind turbines in Maine. Probably came from a hydro plant (dam) or a gas plant. Once the electrons are in the system, they are all the same. But our wind turbines are piped directly to Mass. And you are right, the loss of my peace and wilderness bewilderment that I have had since i was a kid almost 70 years ago

. Say what you want, it is pure destruction for no real purpose. If you truly believe it is clean you are delusional.

Patten_Pete » HFMAFEE • a day ago

It's not "clean energy". Wind is extremely destructive.

HFMAFEE » Patten_Pete • a day ago

It's incredibly easy to make a very subjective statement based on whatever feelings you have about something but you've offered nothing other than your opinion here. Are you talking about bird strikes? More birds die from house cats every year than windmills. See, I can do it too. I've offered up something as fact without anything to back it up based purely on how I feel.

Jmwld10 • a day ago

If Massachusetts wants windpower so bad why don't they build them in Massachusetts??NIMBY??

HFMAFEE » Jmwld10 • a day ago

Would you say the same thing about building coal fired power plants here for the electricity we use?

Patten_Pete » HFMAFEE • a day ago

We don't burn coal or oil in Maine for electricity.

HFMAFEE » Patten_Pete • a day ago

Pretty sure that's exactly what my point was in relation to the NIMBY comment by Jmwld10.

Don Quixote » HFMAFEE • a day ago

We have not had coal or oil here for YEARS. We have the best renewable portfolio in the Northeast and have had for years. It is not our intention to build coal or oil plants. But it would be nice to have a gas pipeline to use for home heating which is responsible for more pollution than electric power. We cant heat with wind and solar in Maine in the winter.

throughthespruce • 2 days ago

With all the towers around the Lincoln area( and east) and Passadumkeag mountain area and Clifton area, whenever you have a clear view or get on any high ground you can see a wind tower. Are they terribly ugly? Not particularly. But they definately detract from the "wild maine" feel. At their location, it is evident how industrialized the sites are. It's not about being anti- wind, it's a question of where and how much will we allow these projects to decrease the "wild maine" feel. That is our brand, in some areas even more importantly than others. Where will you be able to get away from the view and the new transmission lines in this state? when will you see towers from katahdin, kineo, spencer, etc. Those areas will be few and far between if we continue down the wind road for the benefit of Massachusetts policy. They should take their energy futures and desires to the Berkshires and to the offshore massachussets coast if that is the energy they decide they need. They won't because they want the benefit and none of the destruction of THEIR precious areas. We are the pushovers, the easy targets, willing to sell out our landscape and iconic brand for a quick and short-lived subsidy fad dollar. These towers will eventually become obsolete and all we will have left is the rubble and regrets.

HFMAFEE • 2 days ago

Do we want clean renewable power at the risk of changing the view or do we want it only if it can be made in someone else's backyard? The same people who have complained about dirty coal plants and dangerous nuclear facilities with radioactive waste as a by product are now the same people whining about wind, solar, and hydro power.

Jmwld10 » HFMAFEE • a day ago

How about a nice no carbon nuclear plant in Maine equals 2000 windmills or more

Marie_Jane123 » Jmwld10 • a day ago

Check out Molten Salt Reactors ....... where would that technology be today if we had thrown trillions of dollars in its direction instead of at industrial wind turbines? We obviously had to satisfy "investors/investments" in the wind industry first ........

Penny Gray » Marie_Jane123 • a day ago

China's building a fleet of floating MSR's to power their islands, and they're building them on the mainland, too. Way ahead of us in the "green energy" field. We're squandering time and taxpayer's money on wind energy and have for the past 30 years. Politics and corporate lobbying at its worst.

Marie_Jane123 » Penny Gray • a day ago

China is just brilliant ....... supply the innards++ for our wind turbines, burn coal at will and go MSR yourself ...... brilliant! How does one stop the wind industry from sucking every last cent from the taxpayer/ratepayer, reverse the ill-conceived wind/solar renewables agenda and start on China's road to something logical, Molten Salt Reactors? The "investors" and the energy companies are probably setting the stage for such a move; but, not until the U.S. is left penniless and with the dregs of the renewables agenda.

Penny Gray » Marie_Jane123 • a day ago

With all the billions of taxpayer dollars being spent on the renewables agenda, the collapse will come when the well runs dry or when citizens wake up, rise up and go truly green by recycling the politicians that got us into this awful mess.

Marie_Jane123 » Penny Gray • a day ago

The citizens must be awakened and reprogrammed to rid their minds of the Goring and Greenwashing that has been standard operating procedure since the late 90's....... Al's Army, Climate Change Messengers and, more recently, Climate Warriors. They are all prepped and ready to enlighten the world of the death sentence waiting all because of the coming of climate change! I am a firm believer that the climate does, indeed, and has for millions of years "changed". Given events occurring in Europe and attitudes of the people there, it appears that the entire wind industry will settle upon the U.S., in my opinion, the last frontier for the industrial wind turbine. The wind industry is imploding, perhaps knowing that the MSR is coming; but, before they go, they will soak every last dollar from our generous and thoroughly greenwashed society. No matter the name on the wind company's door, it will certainly change from "wind" to Company Name MSR TECH. Not unlike DONGEnergy changing from Denmark oil and natural gas (DONG) to, according to recent accountings, Dong Wind and distinguishing itself from itself, if you will.

Penny Gray » Marie_Jane123 • a day ago

Agreed. And unless the citizens wake up in a real hurry, the tragedy is that Maine, along with it's mountains, woods, waters, wildlife and rural residents, will be destroyed under the clever guise of "saving the planet". Where are the environmentalists?

Marie_Jane123 » Penny Gray • a day ago

The enviros ........... as in the organizations? Gored and Greenwashed (wink, wink) .......... where does their funding come from is the question. AND, the greenwashed is a separate group of people (going into 3rd generation) and they have been inhaling "climate change" and become brain washed nearly since birth either the cooling or warming variety ....... being taught in school to the exclusion of all opinions on climate change except the Gore version and the media has done nothing but carry government released p.r. on the topic, and climate scientist (fake) opinion on the topic, and thinks blade signings are great news ......... nothing about all the issues Canada, Europe, Australia are dealing with related to the "topic" climate change. And the very anchor to any common sense is ill-conceived renewables mandates ........ THE LAW! This is where the change must occur ...... NOW. That we beggar our neighbors to the north is a disgrace. I must add that to me the wind turbine agenda is a product of gasoline crises 1970's evolved into Climate Change/Fossil Fuel Disaster, others think not, just that wind's time had come ...... clean/free. Industrial wind turbines, to me, became the opportunists playground. Create the clean, green, free vision and the stage is set.

Patten_Pete » Marie_Jane123 • 13 hours ago

And mix a good measure of corruption into the jambalya and away we go. Just google (in quotes): "Is this ME corruption?"

Marie_Jane123 » Patten_Pete • 9 hours ago

SAME PLAYBILL ... ME=MA=ME different "actors". Corruption usually generates headlines ....... why not "wind"? Wasteful spending usually generates headlines ...... why not "wind"? Suspects in health issues, noise issues, massive bird deaths, questionable whale deaths usually generate headlines --- why not "wind"? All usually generate "investigation" ....... why not wind?

HFMAFEE » Jmwld10 • a day ago

As long as we can send those pesky radioactive spent fuel rods out of state when we're done using them right? I mean, we would want that waste product here in the state it was used. It's just very hypocritical to think the power Maine consumes isnt produced in another state that has to put up with things far worse than windmills solar or hydro.

Marty » HFMAFEE • a day ago

Hey-you haven't heard a peep out of me about "dirty coal plants and dangerous nuclear facilities with radioactive waste as a by product". Those are your words. Not mine.

HFMAFEE » Marty • a day ago

Um okay Marty. I wasn't aware I singled you out of a crowd of people.

Patten_Pete » HFMAFEE • a day ago

Do you show up in similar comment sections across the U.S. wherever there is a wind project? I thought so.

HFMAFEE » Patten_Pete • a day ago

I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never commented on any newspaper forum except these printed right here in Maine where I've lived my whole life. What are you getting at?

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on August 17, 2017 at 10:40am

As various sources from these corporate raiders proclaim that there is nothing in the works as of yet, remember they are NOT saying that they will never become a future project once the major access line is completed. It is a connector route, like the 10 year build out envisionment by the MEPCO dogleg to Pittsfield which is soon to be utilized if they are approved for that project from the Aroostook wind proposals that now lay in waiting for transmission.

Beware the false promises or deceptions.