Let's see if wind projects are introduced as a way to help the Katahdin region (BDN)

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Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on October 4, 2016 at 10:49am

See response to Thinklike A. Mountain at http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/john-droz-jr-on-how-to-...

Comment by Thinklike A. Mountain on October 4, 2016 at 10:17am

If there is a sample of a good ordinance based on Constitutional Rights, it would be helpful if it could be posted here.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on October 4, 2016 at 10:08am

Even if communities are not currently threatened at this time by Wind Projects, they "Should be" acting now to get their ordinances into place to suit their needs or prohibit completely what could be ill effects on their community. Not only current, but potential future effects as to all aspects, land, air, water, health. 

Though Ordinances should be specific and General ordinances avoided, they should be in process. An ordinance does not have to be prohibitive but should be worded in such a manner that the Community must be consulted FIRST and mandate a community vote even if a Land Use Plan is in place. Because the land is zoned for industry, the community would have the first say as to what type of business or industry is agreeable, and once approved with the community's conditions by vote the applications to the various agencies UP the ladder can be had if so allowed and how allowed.

Though an ordinance of standard nature is Regulatory and can be torn down somewhat easily over time with state preempted statutory laws, Ordinances derived from the Constitution of Maine and the U.S. are near impossible without first changing these constitutions themselves. 

The 2nd amendment of each provides the scope of who what where when & why, (this is not just about guns) with the 9th and 10th amendments providing the authority of citizens to do this type of ordinance. Though the ordinance of this nature can not supercede current statute, it can provide protections where the Statutes do not specifically provide such protections. This type of ordinance sets a standard that the state must meet or exceed in protective measures in order to override it. If left in place after the state has met that standard, it will once again be effective should the corporations tear down the state statute and will hold standing in a court of law with possibly years of being in place.

People fear this type of ordinance, as do lawyers, as it is not the regulatory normal. Though they are based on Constitutional Rights. Rights that were placed into the constitution by corporate business persons of the day, after realizing these needs. Since they placed them into the constitution these same rights are extended to all citizens yet seldom used. 

Removal of the 2nd Amendment from the constitution would not only lead to tyranny once again over the people, but also the corporations that we fight. Removal of the 9th and 10th would render them and people unable to ever change laws at any level, unless through the kindness of the tyrant.

An Ordinance written & created by any level of government, from the selectboard acting as such, on up to the county or state is Regulatory and can be overridden. 

An Ordinance based on Constitutional Rights, can not be overridden if worded properly and intended to provide protection of the Citizens of this nation without repeal of that section that provides the ability and right to protect. 

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on October 3, 2016 at 10:56pm

Yes Paula, they tend to represent both parties, the communities and the offending corporation. They get around this by using different lawyers within their firm. Though they say they do not collude, and there is no conflict of interest, I beg to differ. If an attorney of the firm does not preform to expectation and could loose employment, for feels that way, that is pressure to comply. Tell the community that they are in violation of the law, when it suits the corporation. 

I have seen this in Action in Dover-Foxcroft on their Rights Based Ordinance attempt. They stood and told the town council that the ordinance may be an illegal act and that they should not put it to a vote.    Since no Rights Based Ordinance has "Ever"  been challenged in a Maine Court, it is not known as to the legality of such a document. These ordinances have never been tested, so there is no way of knowing, and the lawyer was giving bad or false information and advice to the board.

However the Notary Route was not pursued by the petitioners to override the board. This was clearly their right and within Maine statute to do such.

The towns always seek out these rascals as they first work cheap, until the town is hooked, then they up the rates to the town. They collude  between lawyers and each other as different firms.

Another disadvantage a community holds is a More than 3 member board or council. 

Under Maine law, two can not talk town business outside the meeting or executive session so as to conspire to create a majority. 

With 5 or 7 members, two would not create a majority, however two AB or two BC or two CA two DA WHO is to say how many times two got together with two others...... all coming to a decision outside the meeting or executive session.... This is collusion being allowed, though not obvious nor provable.

Comment by Paula D Kelso on October 3, 2016 at 9:31pm

From 2008 to 2016, funny how the same names keep popping up -like Thomas Kittredge and Eric Stumpfel and Eaton Peabody - all over the state.

Comment by Paula D Kelso on October 3, 2016 at 9:28pm

In 7th or 8th grade we were required to attend town meeting (this would have been '58 or '59). It was such a vivid experience I still remember it. My Dad was a selectman most of my childhood and was given a pewter engraved cup to recognize his service to the town. I have had people come up to me and tell me how my Dad helped them. Yes there was controversy, but isn't that what democracy is all about? But without due process, respect for the law and for fellow citizens; without service to the community above service to self; the whole idea of democracy is perverted. I've always said I was born dumb, naïve and gullible so I have to be on the lookout for those who prey on such as me. Knowledge is power and there has to be a thirst for knowledge or we all stay dumb, naïve and gullible - and powerless. Does today's culture value excellence and achievement in any where near the degree it values mediocrity? Values sadly lacking in the political realm. Where have all the leaders gone?

Comment by Thinklike A. Mountain on October 3, 2016 at 8:59pm

It Takes a Village Idiot. And society has become quite good at creating them in big numbers to such a degree that the citizenry gets preyed upon. In the jungle stupidity or lack of know how got you killed and thus often away from the gene pool. Modern society prevents much of that and makes possible a level of dumbing down that wouldn't pass muster in the jungle. I'd say that teaching governance at the community level could be potentially huge in creating a citizenry that is less likely to become prey. Does anyone in the legislature ever push for such a thing? What would be not to like? It could be a winning issue.

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on October 3, 2016 at 8:35pm

Knowing how our governance at the community level is not taught in school any longer, but should be learned at an early age. Our schools give the basics of an education and provide a method of How to Learn. They can not teach will, nor desire. Hell neither they, some parents, or our liberal governance even teach responsibility, or other character traits. We may offend some one that is unwilling or unable to learn so we do not require it any longer. Thus the slippery slope to Stupidity begins. 

We have read the articles, with some doing the fact searching, some scientific some following the money, corruptness, and lack of will of citizens to self educate on the subjects that anger them.

There will come a day they too will ask, what the hell happened. How, Why Who allowed it. Hand them a mirror that day.  

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on October 3, 2016 at 8:23pm

Stupidity is a learned (well lets say not learned) behavior. When history is not put into the minds of young or even adults as a measure of what may come, or facts of science are not used as a basis, allowing dreams, hopes and hidden corruption to evolve into truths to be called facts, then yes it could be called contagious, but because it proliferates through the laziness to learn or continue to self educate after those Dreaded Days of school have passed.

Ignorance is much the same, except that facts are there, but they are ignored. Corruption exists but it is ignored. Harm is there or will come, but that too is ignored.

Like bad manners, a child not taught carries their family behavior as being normal. So Stupidity could in a way be from a Not Learned.

We, need to be Informed, and pass that knowledge to others that if willing, will make better choices for their future.

As a 43 year Electrical veteran, Knowledge is power that protects a person from the power that would kill them. Knowledge based on fact is what needs to be distributed, not the emotions, though they are many as caring people, that do not Ignore the facts.

I believe life has a continuing education requirement that does not stop at Graduation or before in some cases.

My mom quit in 12th grade, my Dad in 8th grade. I was due to graduate in 2 years when my mom went back to school to finish, my dad soon followed. She in 71, me 72, dad 73, sisters (4) in 74, 76, (2) in 79.  We all have continuously educated ourselves in different areas even if we did not need that knowledge for putting food on the table.

My 2¢ 

Comment by Penny Gray on October 3, 2016 at 7:13pm

Is stupidity contagious?

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