Comments - The thing about "Green" - They're a lot like Pam - Citizens' Task Force on Wind Power - Maine2024-03-29T15:03:14Zhttps://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=4401701%3ABlogPost%3A238811&xn_auth=noEXCERPT from:
BATTERY SYSTEM…tag:www.windtaskforce.org,2022-04-17:4401701:Comment:2387432022-04-17T10:03:18.514ZWillem Posthttps://www.windtaskforce.org/profile/WillemPost942
<p style="font-weight: 400;">EXCERPT from:</p>
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<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>BATTERY SYSTEM CAPITAL COSTS, ENERGY LOSSES, AND AGING</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging</a></p>
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<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>APPENDIX…</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">EXCERPT from:</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>BATTERY SYSTEM CAPITAL COSTS, ENERGY LOSSES, AND AGING</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging</a></p>
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<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>APPENDIX 1</strong></p>
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<p style="font-weight: 400;">The various costs of making wind turbines have gone up, especially in Europe, due to increases in energy, materials, and transport prices</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">The cost of financing has increased, i.e., higher interest rates, because of the consumer price index, CPI, increasing at 8.5%/y, and the producer price index, PPI, increasing at 11.5%/y</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Owners typically put up 50% of the turnkey capital cost of a wind, solar, or battery project, the rest is financed.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Owners typically make 9%/y on their investment, when bank interest rates are low, say 3.5%/y.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Owners may want to make a higher %/y, when bank interest rates are high.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">All this translates in Owners having to sell their wind electricity at much higher prices, i.e., wind suddenly is not competitive with existing low-cost, domestic coal, natural gas, nuclear and hydro.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">The same is happening due to re-pricing of:</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">1) Solar electricity</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><span> </span><a href="http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/cost-shifting-is-the-name-of-the-game-regarding-wind-and-solar">http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/cost-shifting-is-the-name-of-the-game-regarding-wind-and-solar</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">2) Grid-scale battery system services</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">3) EVs, and EV chargers, and EV charging</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/poor-economics-of-electric-vehicles-in-new-england">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/poor-economics-of-electric-vehicles-in-new-england</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/electric-bus-systems-likely-not-cost-effective-in-vermont-at">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/electric-bus-systems-likely-not-cost-effective-in-vermont-at</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">All that will make it much more expensive to reduce CO2 to “save the world from climate change” (if that were actually possible).</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">However, reducing fossil CO2 reduces biomass growth (which absorbs CO2)</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">The growing of crops for food has already been reduced, due to a shortage of fertilizer and phosphate from Belarus and Russia; their prices have become stratospheric. A world recession, or worse, may be in the offing.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Remember, all this is due to the US relentlessly pushing to expand NATO infrastructures and personnel beyond East Germany, which it had promised not to do in 1990. The USSR and the Warsaw Pact collapsed in 1991. NATO had become superfluous.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">After the US-instigated color revolution in 2014, the US turned impoverished, corrupt, oligarchic Ukraine into a NATO-armed battering ram to reduce the security of Russia. See URL</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-plot-is-thickening-with-germany-and-france-no-longer-in">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-plot-is-thickening-with-germany-and-france-no-longer-in</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>APPENDIX 2</strong></p>
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<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>EXCERPT from:</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong> </strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>COST SHIFTING IS THE NAME OF THE GAME REGARDING WIND AND SOLAR</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/cost-shifting-is-the-name-of-the-game-regarding-wind-and-solar">http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/cost-shifting-is-the-name-of-the-game-regarding-wind-and-solar</a></p>
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<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>EXHORBITANT REAL COST OF WIND AND SOLAR ELECTRICITY</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>“All-in” Electricity Cost of Wind and Solar in New England</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong> </strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/high-costs-of-wind-solar-and-battery-systems">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/high-costs-of-wind-solar-and-battery-systems</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/cost-shifting-is-the-name-of-the-game-regarding-wind-and-solar">http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/cost-shifting-is-the-name-of-the-game-regarding-wind-and-solar</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Pro RE folks point to the “price paid to owner” as the cost of wind and solar, purposely ignoring the other cost categories. The all-in cost of wind and solar, c/kWh, includes:</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">1) Above-market-price paid to Owners </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">2) Subsidies paid to Owners</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">3) Owner return on invested capital at about 9%/y</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">4) Grid extension/augmentation</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">5) Grid support services</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">6) Future battery systems</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong> </strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>Comments on table 1</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong> </strong> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">- Vermont legacy Standard Offer solar systems had greater subsidies paid to owner, than newer systems</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">- Wind prices paid to owner did not have the drastic reductions as solar prices.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">- Vermont utilities are paid about 3.5 c/kWh for various costs they incur regarding net-metered solar systems</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">- "Added to rate base" is the cost wind and solar are added to the utility rate base, used to set electric rates.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">- “Total cost”, including subsidies to owner and grid support, is the cost at which wind/solar are added to the utility rate base</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">- “NE utility cost” is the annual average cost of purchased electricity, about 6 c/kWh, plus NE grid operator charges, about 1.6 c/kWh</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">for a total of 7.6 c/kWh.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">- “Grid support costs” would increase with increased use of battery systems to counteract the variability and intermittency of increased build-outs of wind and solar systems. See URL</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/fuel-and-co2-reductions-due-to-wind-energy-less-than-claimed">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/fuel-and-co2-reductions-due-to-wind-energy-less-than-claimed</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>NOTES:</strong></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">1) NE wholesale grid price averaged about 5 c/kWh, starting in 2009, due to low-cost CCGT and nuclear plants providing at least 65% of all electricity loaded onto the NE grid, in 2019.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/resource-mix/">https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/resource-mix/</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://nepool.com/uploads/NPC_20200305_Composite4.pdf">https://nepool.com/uploads/NPC_20200305_Composite4.pdf</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><br/>2) There are Owning costs, and Operating and Maintenance costs, of the NE grid</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">ISO-NE charges these costs to utilities at about 1.6 c/kWh. The ISO-NE charges include: </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> <br/>Regional network services, RNS, based on the utility peak demand occurring during a month</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Forward capacity market, FCM, based on the utility peak demand occurring during a year.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<table style="font-weight: 400;">
<tbody><tr><td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>Table 1/VT & NE sources</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Paid to</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Subsidy</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Grid</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">GMP</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"> Added</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">ISO-NE</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Total</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">NE</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Times</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong> </strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"> </span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">paid to</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">support</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"> </span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">to rate</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">RNS+</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"> </span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">utility</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td></td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">owner</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">towner</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">cost</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">adder</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">base</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">FCM</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">cost</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">cost</span></p>
</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr><td></td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">c/kWh</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">c/kWh</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">c/kWh</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">c/kWh</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">c/kWh</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">c/kWh</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">c/kWh</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">c/kWh</span></p>
</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Solar, rooftop, net-metered, new</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">17.4</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">5.2</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">2.1</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">3.5</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">20.9</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">1.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">29.8</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">7.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">3.92</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Solar, rooftop, net-metered, legacy</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">18.2</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">5.4</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">2.1</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">3.5</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">21.7</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">1.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">30.8</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">7.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">4.05</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>Solar, standard offer, combo</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>11.</strong><strong>0</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>6.74</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>2.1</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td></td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>11.</strong><strong>0</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>1.6</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>21.44</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>7.6</strong></span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><strong>2.82</strong></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Solar, standard offer, legacy</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">21.7</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">10.5</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">2.1</span></p>
</td>
<td></td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">21.7</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">1.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">35.9</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">7.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">4.72</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Wind, ridge line, new</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">8.5</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">3.9</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">2.4</span></p>
</td>
<td></td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">8.5</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">1.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">16.4</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">7.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">2.15</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Wind, offshore, new</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">9.0</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">4.1</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">2.4</span></p>
</td>
<td></td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">9.0</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">1.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">17.1</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">7.6</span></p>
</td>
<td><p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">2.25</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Sample calculation; NE utility cost = 6, Purchased + 1.6, (RNS + FCM) = 7.6 c/kWh</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Sample calculation; added to utility base = 17.4 + 3.5 = 20.9 c/kWh</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Sample calculation; total cost = 17.4 + 5.2 + 2.1 + 3.5 + 1.6 = 29.8 c/kWh</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Excludes costs for very expensive battery systems</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Excludes costs for very expensive floating, offshore wind systems</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Excludes cost for dealing with shortfalls during multi-day wind/solar lulls. See URL</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/wind-and-solar-provide-50-percent-of-future-new-england">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/wind-and-solar-provide-50-percent-of-future-new-england</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">“Added to rate base” is for recent 20-y electricity supply contracts awarded by competitive bidding in NE.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">“Added to rate base” would be much higher without subsidies and cost shifting.</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">Areas with better wind and solar conditions, and lower construction costs/MW have lower c/MWh, than NE</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">New England has average winds, has highest on-shore turnkey costs ($2,400/kW in 2020), has highest PPA c/kWh</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;">See page 39 of URL</p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2021-08/Land-Based%20Wind%20Market%20Report%202021%20Edition_Full%20Report_FINAL.pdf">https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2021-08/Land-Based%20Wind%20Market%20Report%202021%20Edition_Full%20Report_FINAL.pdf</a></p>
<p style="font-weight: 400;"> </p> My mortality research is 100%…tag:www.windtaskforce.org,2022-04-16:4401701:Comment:2387412022-04-16T22:48:27.520ZJim Wiegandhttps://www.windtaskforce.org/profile/JimWiegand
<p>My mortality research is 100% true and in the right hands, can be used to win any Court Case</p>
<p>My mortality research is 100% true and in the right hands, can be used to win any Court Case</p> That's powerful testimony, Ji…tag:www.windtaskforce.org,2022-04-16:4401701:Comment:2387392022-04-16T22:42:21.761ZPenny Grayhttps://www.windtaskforce.org/profile/PennyGray
<p>That's powerful testimony, Jim Weigand. Thank you.</p>
<p>That's powerful testimony, Jim Weigand. Thank you.</p>