Comments - Excellent story with dozens of desperate wind shill comments trying to discredit me - Citizens' Task Force on Wind Power - Maine2024-03-29T13:29:57Zhttps://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=4401701%3ABlogPost%3A221122&xn_auth=noALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.
ALL…tag:www.windtaskforce.org,2021-07-23:4401701:Comment:2209272021-07-23T12:54:14.647ZWillem Posthttps://www.windtaskforce.org/profile/WillemPost942
<p><strong>ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>ALL ELSE ARE SIDE ISSUES TO THE MONEY PEOPLE.</strong></p>
<p><b>TO THEM THOSE SIDE ISSUES ARE MINIMIZED TO GET TO THE MONEY</b></p>
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<p><strong>HIGH COSTS OF WIND, SOLAR, AND BATTERY SYSTEMS IN NEW ENGLAND…</strong></p>
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<p><strong>ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>ALL ELSE ARE SIDE ISSUES TO THE MONEY PEOPLE.</strong></p>
<p><b>TO THEM THOSE SIDE ISSUES ARE MINIMIZED TO GET TO THE MONEY</b></p>
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<p><strong>HIGH COSTS OF WIND, SOLAR, AND BATTERY SYSTEMS IN NEW ENGLAND</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/high-costs-of-wind-solar-and-battery-systems">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/high-costs-of-wind-solar-and-battery-systems</a></p>
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<p><strong>All-in Cost of Wind and Solar</strong></p>
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<p>Pro RE folks always point to the “price paid to owner” as the cost of wind and solar, purposely ignoring the other cost categories. The all-in cost of wind and solar, c/kWh, includes:</p>
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<p>1) Above-market-price paid to owners </p>
<p>2) Subsidies paid to owners</p>
<p>3) Owner return on invested capital</p>
<p>4) Grid extension/augmentation (not paid by owners)</p>
<p>5) Grid support services (not paid by owners) </p>
<p>6) Future battery systems (not paid by owners)</p>
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<p><strong>Comments on table 1</strong></p>
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<p>- The owners of legacy systems were paid much higher prices, than owners of newer systems.</p>
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<p>- Vermont legacy “Standard Offer” solar systems had greater subsidies, up to 30 c/kWh paid to owner, than newer systems, about 11 c/kWh</p>
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<p>- Wind prices paid to owner did not have such drastic reductions as solar prices.</p>
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<p>- Vermont utilities are paid about 3.5 c/kWh for various costs they incur regarding net-metered solar systems</p>
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<p>- "Added to the rate base" is the cost wind and solar are added to the utility rate base, which is used to set electric rates.</p>
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<p>- “Traditional cost”, including subsidies to owner and grid support, is the cost at which traditional is added to the utility rate base</p>
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<p>- “Grid support costs” would increase with increased use of battery systems to counteract the variability and intermittency of increased build-outs of wind and solar systems.</p>
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<p><strong>NOTES:</strong></p>
<p>1) The prices should be compared with the NE wholesale grid price, which has averaged about 4.2 c/kWh, starting in 2009, due to low-cost CCGT and nuclear plants, which provided at least 65% of all electricity loaded onto the NE grid in 2019.</p>
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<p>- Wind, solar, landfill gas, and methane power plants provided about 4.8%, after 20 years of subsidies</p>
<p>- Pre-existing refuse and wood power plants provided about 4.6%</p>
<p>- Pre-existing hydro power plants provided about 7.4%</p>
<p>- The rest was mostly hydro imports from the very-low-CO2 Canada grid, and from the much-higher-CO2 New York State grid</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/resource-mix/">https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/resource-mix/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://nepool.com/uploads/NPC_20200305_Composite4.pdf">https://nepool.com/uploads/NPC_20200305_Composite4.pdf</a></p>
<p><br/>2) There are O&M costs of the NE grid, in addition to wholesale prices.</p>
<p>ISO-NE pro-rates these costs to utilities, at about 1.6 c/kWh. Charges for: </p>
<p> <br/>Regional network services, RNS, are based on the peak demand occurring during a month</p>
<p>Forward capacity market, FCM, are based on the peak demand occurring during a year.</p>
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<p>3) Each local utility has its own O&M grid costs, in addition to item 2, some of which are detailed on electric bills.</p>
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<p>4) Vermont utilities buy electricity from various sources; average cost about 6 c/kWh, plus ISO-NE charges of about 1.6 c/kWh, for a total of 7.6 c/kWh.</p>
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<table>
<tbody><tr><td><p><strong>Table 1/Vermont & NE sources</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>Paid to</p>
</td>
<td><p>Subsidies</p>
</td>
<td><p>Grid support*</p>
</td>
<td><p>GMP</p>
</td>
<td><p> Added to</p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>Total</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>Traditional</p>
</td>
<td><p>Times</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td></td>
<td><p>owner</p>
</td>
<td><p>to owner</p>
</td>
<td><p>cost</p>
</td>
<td><p>adder</p>
</td>
<td><p>rate base</p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>cost</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>cost</p>
</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr><td></td>
<td><p>c/kWh</p>
</td>
<td><p>c/kWh</p>
</td>
<td><p>c/kWh</p>
</td>
<td><p>c/kWh</p>
</td>
<td><p>c/kWh</p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>c/kWh</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>c/kWh</p>
</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p>Solar, residential rooftop, net-metered, new</p>
</td>
<td><p>17.4</p>
</td>
<td><p>5.2</p>
</td>
<td><p>2.1</p>
</td>
<td><p>3.5</p>
</td>
<td><p>20.9</p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>28.2</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>7.60</p>
</td>
<td><p>3.7</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p>Solar, residential rooftop, net-metered, legacy</p>
</td>
<td><p>18.2</p>
</td>
<td><p>5.4</p>
</td>
<td><p>2.1</p>
</td>
<td><p>3.5</p>
</td>
<td><p>21.7</p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>29.2</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>7.60</p>
</td>
<td><p>3.8</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p><strong>Solar, com’l/ind’l, standard offer, combo</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>11.0</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>6.74</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>2.1</strong></p>
</td>
<td></td>
<td><p><strong>11.0</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>19.84</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>7.60</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>2.6</strong></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p>Solar, com’l/ind’l, standard offer, legacy</p>
</td>
<td><p>21.7</p>
</td>
<td><p>10.5</p>
</td>
<td><p>2.1</p>
</td>
<td></td>
<td><p>21.7</p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>34.3</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>7.60</p>
</td>
<td><p>4.5</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p>Wind, ridge line, new</p>
</td>
<td><p>9.0</p>
</td>
<td><p>4.1</p>
</td>
<td><p>2.4</p>
</td>
<td></td>
<td><p>9.0</p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>15.5</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>7.60</p>
</td>
<td><p>2.0</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td><p>Wind, offshore, new</p>
</td>
<td><p>12.1</p>
</td>
<td><p>5.4</p>
</td>
<td><p>2.8</p>
</td>
<td></td>
<td><p>12.1</p>
</td>
<td><p><strong>20.3</strong></p>
</td>
<td><p>7.60</p>
</td>
<td><p>2.7</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><strong> * Excludes future battery costs</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Electric Grids</strong></p>
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<p>High voltage and distribution grids, in Vermont and elsewhere, have been, and still are, entirely adequate to provide Vermonters with electricity, 24/7/365. They are not <strong>grandpa grids</strong>, as some RE folks call them.</p>
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<p>However, connecting wind and solar systems to the grids requires: 1) extensions to connect them to the grids and 2) upgrades to reinforce the grids, to deal with their weather/season-dependent variability and intermittency, 3) battery systems to deal with midday solar output bulges.</p>
<p><br/>Wind and solar have a perverse tendency to produce when all of their outputs are not needed!!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-vagaries-of-solar-in-new-england">https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-vagaries-of-solar-in-new-england</a></p>
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<p>Almost none of the extension/upgrade costs are charged to the owners of wind and solar systems, as otherwise NE wind and solar would become even more expensive to own and operate, which would “rain on the wind and solar parade”.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/cost-shifting-is-the-name-of-the-game-regarding-wind-and-solar">http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/cost-shifting-is-the-name-of-the-game-regarding-wind-and-solar</a></p>
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<p><strong>Basic Rule Applicable to All Grids:</strong> Normal wind and solar output could be 10,000 MW. During a wind/solar lull, it could be 1,000 MW, such as at night. Such lulls may last 5 to 7 days, and may occur any time of the year. Sometimes a second multi-day lull occurs a few days after the first one.</p>
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<p>At least 9,000 MW of other reliable generators, not wind/solar dependent, would be needed to counteract the shortfall. No matter what up/down performance wind/solar has, these generators would have to supply enough electricity to meet demand, 24/7/365</p> Here are our recent Climate C…tag:www.windtaskforce.org,2021-07-23:4401701:Comment:2209252021-07-23T08:14:10.522ZTom Harrishttps://www.windtaskforce.org/profile/TomHarris
<p>Here are our recent Climate Change Minute videos opposing IWTs:</p>
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<p class="font_8">July 19, 2021 -<span> </span><span><a href="https://youtu.be/VPtrPn-HeLk" rel="noopener" target="_blank">The Effects of Wind Turbines on Birds and Bats</a></span></p>
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<p class="font_8">July 12, 2021 -<span> </span><span><a href="https://youtu.be/-OfGE_o9RHQ" rel="noopener" target="_blank">The Effects of Wind Turbines on Human…</a></span></p>
<p>Here are our recent Climate Change Minute videos opposing IWTs:</p>
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<p class="font_8">July 19, 2021 -<span> </span><span><a href="https://youtu.be/VPtrPn-HeLk" target="_blank" rel="noopener">The Effects of Wind Turbines on Birds and Bats</a></span></p>
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<p class="font_8">July 12, 2021 -<span> </span><span><a href="https://youtu.be/-OfGE_o9RHQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener">The Effects of Wind Turbines on Human Health</a></span></p>
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<p class="font_8">July 9, 2021 -<span> </span><span><a href="https://youtu.be/jb--XJuqQbA" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Wind Turbines not Sustainable</a></span></p>
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