Read this and you'll find me 'liberally' quoted...note shift in emphasis

http://www.portlandphoenix.me/news/cover-story/item/6703-clean-ener...

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Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on May 26, 2017 at 10:07am

Well said, Eskutassis, I remember those days as well along with the Outhouse as a disgusting place of need for a home. Just remembering an article of days past that one geologist stated that not all Oil is from billions of years ago, but is being created also by these microbes, eating a  particular type of rock and leaving either themselves or their waste as an Oil. Maybe he was a nut case, as I have not heard much on that since. Yes we have come a long way in 200+ as a nation. The benefits of Free Thinking, to pursue the truth in Real Science vs Witchcraft voodoo spook science. 

Comment by Eskutassis on May 26, 2017 at 8:53am

Eric, I remember as a kid being told we were going to run out of resources within 20 years, given to us by "scientists" that swore they had the facts. That was phony science then and phony science NOW! These are people with agendas, agendas that have NOTHING to do with REAL science. Look at where we have gone in 100 years . . . from sweeping horse s*** off of streets to 100 mph cars that allow us to cross the country, to jets that take us to LA in 6 hrs. Real science and technology is solving things that people 100 years ago could not have even imagined could be solved. I am very confident that long before we run out of fossil fuels, we will have solved the intricacies of nuclear power that have made it unpopular, we will find ways to extract more energy from natural resources like hydro. Wind and solar are economically unfeasible because they are not reliable and their medium is not very dense, air and light. Wind power was popular in the 1600's and 1700's when that was all they had. If there was a river, they progressed to hydro, water wheels to drive shafts with belts, gears and pulleys. We built dams to generate electricity starting at Niagara Falls and moving to Hoover Dam for huge projects. Science and technology got us there and there will be more discoveries in the future. We have just dabbled in geothermal, heat pumps are just in their infancy, certainly small scale localized nuclear could have a future, fuel cells, hydrogen fuel, and there are technologies we have not even thought of yet. Just think if we had put that $2 to $4 trillion we have already spent on wind and solar over the last 25 years had been spent with real scientific dreamers instead of communist "redistribute the wealth" economists with a backward wasteful agenda for their own purposes. 

Comment by Penny Gray on May 26, 2017 at 8:03am

if we're really and truly serious about reducing our carbon footprint yet retaining our power hungry lifestyles, nuclear has to be a big part of the discussion.

Comment by Brad Blake on May 25, 2017 at 11:21pm

What a poorly written, poorly researched, and obviously biased story.  And, of course, no opportunity to post comments, as that liberal rag sheet wouldn't want any facts to get shared or criticisms to be posted.  There is the mention of the Peak's Island wind study which concluded the wind resource was not good enough tp be economically feasible for a commercial scale wind project.  At least that group was honest, whereas EVERY wind developer has always refused to divulge any met tower data, saying it is "proprietary information" and making the continuous bald faced lie that "we concluded the wind in [name the area] is an excellent resource".  After going on-line the production reports always prove otherwise.  I wrote a letter to the editor of Portland Press Herald making that and other points, thinking that using the Peaks Island report might get the letter published.  But, as usual, my letter was never published.
This CTFWP website has an excellent section regarding Peak's Island wind that everyone should go back and read.  http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/peaks-island-gives-up-o...

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on May 25, 2017 at 9:45pm

@Eskutassis -- Yes we have been told about the flora decay over billions of years, the dinosaurs, the other organics that go into creating the aka "FOSSIL" fuels. However, we have never been enlightened to the fact that there exists, as what we may consider as extraterrestrial microbes, organisms that eat our rock core of the earth and produce as a byproduct Oil. A revisit to once though to be depleted Texas/Oklahoma oil fields revealed that they were once again refilling, due to this microbe. True/False ? Plausable, maybe. But due to our overconsumption of all energy vs conservation, society that has no skin in the game is willing to destroy by any means that which remains to sustain life. Natures gift, one that Maine and other locations work to protect for all. 

Comment by Eskutassis on May 25, 2017 at 8:42pm

The sad part of all this is that Maine is already the second cleanest state in the Union and we have for all intents met our goals before we even started. Except for this ridiculous goal from Portland to be 100% "renewable" (which is impossible), all this energy we are producing is going to power Southern New England and WE are paying the price for it. Maine is NOT growing in population or business introductions because our energy prices have been driven so high by "renewables" and the transmission upgrades. We tore up the most economical and reliable energy we had when we destroyed dams to the delight of the enviros. (Thank you George Smith)

For years we have been told that we have a finite amount of fossil fuels and I guess that is true. But let's consider the Earth is 4+billion years old, and we have gone through possibly a million cycles where the earth has been covered in flora and ice ages that have wiped them out. then they grow back on top of the old decaying flora, and get covered up again. That is fossil fuel . . 4 billion years of it going down miles under the surface making coal, oil and gas. We have been doing what we have been doing for just a little more than a century . . . 120 years. We have not even scratched the surface.

We have to examine the economics of the folly of wind and solar as viable sources of power. We can be Pollyanna and see it as good conquering the evil of carbon or look at it as expensive, intermittent, a niche' product that will never produce at a reliable level of more than 15%. That is what Germany has found and why they are resorting to building more coal plants to make their grid more reliable. The only problem they face is that they have overbuilt their wind and solar, and now have to ship the production out of the country at a greatly reduced rate. They have to regretting shutting down their reliable nukes after Fukishima.     

Comment by Frank J. Heller, MPA on May 25, 2017 at 6:31pm

I was part of the planning team which drafted the wind ordinance, and lobbied for conditions which in effect made them unfeasible.

Comment by Long Islander on May 25, 2017 at 5:15pm

Portland can talk all it wants about how there isn't "good wind" in southern Maine, but the fact is that the one reason guaranteeing there won't be industrial wind turbines in Portland is that the city effectively outlawed them in 2011:

http://bangordailynews.com/2011/11/30/news/portland/portland-wants-...

 

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CMP Transmission Rate Skyrockets 19.6% Due to Wind Power

 

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Maine Center For Public Interest Reporting – Three Part Series: A CRITICAL LOOK AT MAINE’S WIND ACT

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(excerpts) From Part 1 – On Maine’s Wind Law “Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine if the law’s goals were met." . – Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting, August 2010 https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-power-bandwagon-hits-bumps-in-the-road-3/From Part 2 – On Wind and Oil Yet using wind energy doesn’t lower dependence on imported foreign oil. That’s because the majority of imported oil in Maine is used for heating and transportation. And switching our dependence from foreign oil to Maine-produced electricity isn’t likely to happen very soon, says Bartlett. “Right now, people can’t switch to electric cars and heating – if they did, we’d be in trouble.” So was one of the fundamental premises of the task force false, or at least misleading?" https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-swept-task-force-set-the-rules/From Part 3 – On Wind-Required New Transmission Lines Finally, the building of enormous, high-voltage transmission lines that the regional electricity system operator says are required to move substantial amounts of wind power to markets south of Maine was never even discussed by the task force – an omission that Mills said will come to haunt the state.“If you try to put 2,500 or 3,000 megawatts in northern or eastern Maine – oh, my god, try to build the transmission!” said Mills. “It’s not just the towers, it’s the lines – that’s when I begin to think that the goal is a little farfetched.” https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/flaws-in-bill-like-skating-with-dull-skates/

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Hannah Pingree on the Maine expedited wind law

Hannah Pingree - Director of Maine's Office of Innovation and the Future

"Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine."

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