NREL: How Will The Eastern U.S. Accommodate More Wind And Solar?

"More Wind And Solar?"


NREL: How Will The Eastern U.S. Accommodate
More
Wind And Solar  ?

In a new study, the U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) used high-performance computing capabilities and innovative visualization tools to model how the power grid of the eastern U.S. could operationally accommodate higher levels of wind and solar photovoltaic generation. ...

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... However, technical feasibility depends on other transmission and generation operators that provide the necessary ramping, energy and capacity services; wholesale market design changes; and various capital expenditures – all of which will have financial and other implications that may need to be addressed and were outside of the study, says NREL.


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Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on September 1, 2016 at 10:54pm

A solar flare (which is overdue) of sufficient magnitude can kill all of our microcircuit technology that controls our grid systems. The old higher power devices were more durable, but fiber optics with  heavily shielded repeater devices are certainly better, with little need for power.  Hacking is a different method to institute a shutdown and maybe we have built a system where the bottom line of corporate profit would not allow the same 5 system redundancy given our Space craft for critical failure backup. Siphon the profits rather than secure (insurance for) a system that provides their wealth, our addiction. 

Comment by Thinklike A. Mountain on September 1, 2016 at 8:50pm

Softening up our wallets for the coming Grid Grifters?

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on September 1, 2016 at 8:32pm

Another Blunder by NERL....... there are are only Three Grid systems in the continental U.S.

1) Grid East (all that which is east of the Mississippi)

2 ) Texas, an independent One State Grid

3) Grid West (all that which is west of the Mississippi)

New Mexico has nothing, absolutely Nothing to do with the East on any form of energy production including Wind. These systems (3) do not interconnect even for emergency purposes. ( Data I researched last year ) So once again the NERL is misstating and trying to make the problem look larger than reality shows.

Comment by Thinklike A. Mountain on September 1, 2016 at 8:29pm

The full ERGIS report and accompanying tools are available at NREL.gov/ERGIS.

This study was funded by the Energy Department's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable (EERE) and theOffice of Electricity Delivery and Reliability (OE).

EERE and OE also work together as part of the Department's Grid Modernization Initiative (GMI), a comprehensive effort to help shape the future of our nation's grid and solve the challenges of integrating conventional and renewable sources with energy storage and smart buildings, while ensuring that the grid is resilient and secure to withstand growing cybersecurity and climate challenges. Through the GMI and its Multi-Year Program Plan (MYPP) the Department will help frame new grid architecture design elements, develop new planning and real-time operations platforms, provide metrics and analytics to improve grid performance, and enhance government and industry capabilities for designing the infrastructure and regulatory models needed for successful grid modernization. The MYPP also builds on concepts and recommendations from DOE's recently released Quadrennial Energy Review and Quadrennial Technology Review.

http://www.nrel.gov/news/press/2016/37730

Comment by Thinklike A. Mountain on September 1, 2016 at 8:19pm

What We Learned

  • The operation of traditional power sources (such as coal, natural gas, and hydro) changes—turning up or down more quickly to accommodate seasonal and daily variations of wind and PV. In addition, traditional generators would likely operate for shorter periods of time as wind and solar resources meet more of the demand for electricity.
  • Flows of power across the Eastern Interconnection change more rapidly and more frequently.Meeting 30% targets under the study assumptions sometimes requires coordinating operations from Montreal to Miami and as far west as New Mexico.
  • Regulatory policy changes, market design innovation, and flexible operating procedures are critical to achieving technical potential. ERGIS shows that the power system can meet loads with variable resources like wind and PV in a variety of extreme conditions. However, achieving the technically feasible depends on incentives for transmission and generation operators to provide the necessary ramping, energy, and capacity services.

http://www.nrel.gov/grid/ergis.html

HOLD ONTO YOUR WALLETS. THEY ARE LYING TO US ABOUT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING HERE. Follow the money to Goldman Sachs, George Soros and the other power elite.

Comment by Thinklike A. Mountain on September 1, 2016 at 7:03pm

The rent-seeking banksters on Wall Street and in foreign capitals clearly are salivating over all the money they hope to make through the next big fleecing of U.S. tax payers and rate payers: "grid modernization".

They hope to make billions if not trillions on this next big solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Well, it wouldn't exist if not for completely unreliable and non-dispatchable wind and solar. So keep your eyes out for the words "grid modernization". Whether they'll be scaring us with the current grid's susceptibility to EMP attacks, cyber attacks, the "red hot lies" they've built around climate change or just the time tested "aging lines" we've heard in Maine - it's coming and it will be aiming to take unbelievable amounts of money from the unwashed commoners (that's us) and put it in the bank accounts of a tiny few whose main skills are lying and corrupting our so called representatives in government.

If you read this study, realize it is just groundwork for what they plan to march out. It's like the work of Baldacci's wind task force that paved the way for the criminal expedited wind law. And keep in mind it's all based on "computer modeling". That's a fancy man's way of saying LIES. Pay special attention to what they don't talk about such as COST, eminent domain and policy road kill (that's us too).

The study can be read at: http://www.nrel.gov/grid/ergis.html

Comment by Eric A. Tuttle on September 1, 2016 at 1:40pm
-- Thoughts -- Fact is stranger than Fiction ?

For evil to exist and persist, all that is needed is for people to do nothing when the truths are self evident.

The Premise of our Declaration of Independence when oppression became too great.

This is but another Oppression, but instead of the Crown of England oppressing the corporate freedoms of trade, it is now those corporate bodies Oppressing the peoples rights to live as desired.

Corporations are NOT people with rights, but made up of people working under a dictatorship to survive as a corporation.

With the Supreme Court rulings over the years, finding Personhood considerations for corporations, they use their Corporate personhood to seek democratic rights to change statutes to suit their needs.

They (corporations and elitists) are the Oppressors and those in the halls of our government that turn a blind eye to the truths of science, are the Elitists that enable them. They speak to those elitists with their religion $$$ as they Hijack the People's Democracy, a vote, to enact changes in statute that direct democracy cries out for, with the use of representative (sometimes corrupted) democracy.

Comment by Paula D Kelso on September 1, 2016 at 1:16pm

“By modeling the power system in depth and detail, NREL has helped reset the conversation about how far we can go operationally with wind and solar in one of the largest power systems in the world,” says Charlton Clark, a DOE program manager for the study.

Sometimes technologically feasible scenarios don't translate into good economic and societal outcomes. Who gets to make the policy and regulatory decisions? Well you can be sure the profitmaking 'stakeholders' will out gun the 'public interest' parties. How can private citizens even get on the playing field let alone get a hand on the ball?

 

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Maine Center For Public Interest Reporting – Three Part Series: A CRITICAL LOOK AT MAINE’S WIND ACT

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(excerpts) From Part 1 – On Maine’s Wind Law “Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine if the law’s goals were met." . – Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting, August 2010 https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-power-bandwagon-hits-bumps-in-the-road-3/From Part 2 – On Wind and Oil Yet using wind energy doesn’t lower dependence on imported foreign oil. That’s because the majority of imported oil in Maine is used for heating and transportation. And switching our dependence from foreign oil to Maine-produced electricity isn’t likely to happen very soon, says Bartlett. “Right now, people can’t switch to electric cars and heating – if they did, we’d be in trouble.” So was one of the fundamental premises of the task force false, or at least misleading?" https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/wind-swept-task-force-set-the-rules/From Part 3 – On Wind-Required New Transmission Lines Finally, the building of enormous, high-voltage transmission lines that the regional electricity system operator says are required to move substantial amounts of wind power to markets south of Maine was never even discussed by the task force – an omission that Mills said will come to haunt the state.“If you try to put 2,500 or 3,000 megawatts in northern or eastern Maine – oh, my god, try to build the transmission!” said Mills. “It’s not just the towers, it’s the lines – that’s when I begin to think that the goal is a little farfetched.” https://www.pinetreewatchdog.org/flaws-in-bill-like-skating-with-dull-skates/

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Hannah Pingree on the Maine expedited wind law

Hannah Pingree - Director of Maine's Office of Innovation and the Future

"Once the committee passed the wind energy bill on to the full House and Senate, lawmakers there didn’t even debate it. They passed it unanimously and with no discussion. House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, a Democrat from North Haven, says legislators probably didn’t know how many turbines would be constructed in Maine."

https://pinetreewatch.org/wind-power-bandwagon-hits-bumps-in-the-road-3/

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